R1100S 50 State / California

[invstor17]

Hi Guys,

I'm new to the forum and am considering the purchase of an out of state (my state is California) r1100s. I was wondering if someone could tell me if all r1100s's were 50 state models, and if it actually reads "Meets California Emissions" on the sticker. As many responses as possible would be appreciated.

In addition, to anyone who has registered an out of state emissions legal bike in CA with less than 7500 Mi; Do you have to pay sales tax, and if so, what is to stop you from listing the price as $2000??? Cash deal of course.

Thanks very much,

Adrian

[invstor17]

Bike would be used but low mi.

[bingo]

If not 50 state, make sure it has more than 7500 miles on it. No problem then.

[SCOTTinNJ]

they should all be 50 state legal i think. they all come shipped with the carbon canister. if not, i'm sure someone has one laying around they would part with. (i've got one but haven't decided to part with it just yet -- just in case).

[invstor17]

Thanks for the response. I have my eye on some low milage examples and even if a 49 state model has the cannister installed the DMV won't let it in before 7500. It has to have the sticker. I was hoping some owners who purchased their bikes new in other states could tell me that the sticker said CA emissions.

[Steve Carlton]

My dealer says from around '95 on all BMWs are 50-state legal. I believe if it doesn't say "meets CA emissions" on the label, you could get a letter from BMW stating that it does. Double check w/DMV, of course.

BTW, welcome invstor17!

[ExarKunONe]

I thought that all BMW's meet some superhigh European standard that was good enough for California. They lean em up enough to pass anything!

[JonyRR]

Here's a tidbit from the RB racing site that explains tons about how a BMW motronic is set up and differs from the jap approach.
apparently the reference map that the motronic uses is super-lean and calibrated for hot-day high-altitude operation and they use the 02 sensor to RICHEN up the mixture at other-than-reference values. that's way different then using the 02 sensor to LEAN out the mixture from reference; it's backwards of what you expect, and in the closed-loop portion of the map, any aftermarket chip's tendency to add fuel is fought by the 02 sensor feedback to the motronic.
if it's that lean, one would think it'll pass CARB tests regardless (unless you get lean misfire, the the HC will be way up and you're in the same boat..it won't pass a sniffer test)
are motorcycles smog-tested in cali? hope not...

[Steve Carlton]

Nope.

[roger albert]

> I thought that all BMW's meet some superhigh European standard that was good enough for California. They lean em up enough to pass anything!

Doesn't matter. Meeting the standard, and having gone through the process and received certification are two different things.
I have a friend who got in hot water for that, and actually had an entire container of bikes seized by the govt, for ignoring that distinction. Has to have gone through our process. Theirs is no good for us, even if cleaner

[roger albert]

The motronic can only slightly compensate for changed primary table values. I've watched the chip mapping process and seen the maps adjusted and entered and watched the lambda signal. The motronic moves things only a bit. RB likes to play that up to downplay what their competition offers, but is is hype, not reality.

In any event, leaning from rich or richening from lean doesn't matter. If you have a 12 foot board and measure 6 foot from either end, you still find center.

Remember that leaner is not necessarily cleaner. HC goes down and N goes up, well before hitting a lean misfire, in which case both go up. The EPA and TuV etc want both values low, but over much of the range, helping one hurts the other, so there's a very narrow sweet spot. I don't know the CARB test parameters, but if it's 3 or 5 gas vs just CO, then simple leaning out, no matter how lean, won't necessarily cause a pass.

[ExarKunONe]

Originally posted by roger albert
> I thought that all BMW's meet some superhigh European standard that was good enough for California. They lean em up enough to pass anything!

Doesn't matter. Meeting the standard, and having gone through the process and received certification are two different things.
I have a friend who got in hot water for that, and actually had an entire container of bikes seized by the govt, for ignoring that distinction. Has to have gone through our process. Theirs is no good for us, even if cleaner

Dude! That sucks!

[bradzdotcom]

it's too much of a pain in the butt to make a distinction between bikes for CA and the rest of the USA while doing production runs, so the J-boys just toss 'em all in one pile...same/same.
"i unda-stund dat ze deutchlanders do same, ya?"

(little known worthless info): in the early days, much of CARB (california air resources board) work to establish motorcycle smog standards for california was performed in.........florida.

[ExarKunONe]

Am I going to have to get my bike smogged when I register it here in CA? If so, am I going to need to put the cat and charcoal canister back on? I've got 45k mi on it.

[Steve Carlton]

There's no smog check for bikes in CA.

[JonyRR]

isn't an emmisions test for motorcycles in cali in the cards? I thought they were doing this;perhaps it's just a 'proposed' thing...
(a good reason to keep that stock cat around, eh?)

[ExarKunONe]

Thanks Steve