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Boxercup or Randy Mamola bike

Which bike would you choose and why?



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Old 10-21-2005, 06:39 PM
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Choose the one with twin plugs if you must have one. The best thing is to buy neither and wait a few more months for the new R12S which will run circles around either of the two above. IMHOOC
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Both are sweet. Go have a look in person, ride them both, see which one you like. The Boxercup should be a little mor refined with the Laser cans, and sportier(but still compliant) shocks.
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I never liked the idea of a white rear wheel. You'd have to keep cleaning the brake dust every ten minutes, or you could just leave it dirty and have it look like crap.

BTW, I have the Mamola bike, but it was De-Mamola'd.
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Of the two, I would choose the red/blue version since it is closer (in regard to suspension) to a true boxer cup race bike, plus it would be a newer bike. However, I’m more concerned with suspension than other factors.


The red/blue Boxer cup has taller suspension (rumored GS length front fork legs) and taller rear shock (rumored same shock as the earlier sport suspension) than the Mamola boxercup and also has a taller seat.

The Mamola boxercup was initially available with ABS and uses the sport suspension. If you like ABS, than this would be your choice


To clarify the suspension differences:
Early sport suspension (like the ‘light’ model etc.) had taller front and taller rear shocks than the standard suspension, both versions used the same length paralever torque arm (I remember reading that some here did get theirs with a shorter version though).

Later sport suspension (like the BCX/Prep/Mamola BC) used the same taller front sport shock while the newer rear sport shock being shorter than the even standard shock, but because it was paired with a shorter paralever arm it raises the rear back up.

The red/blue BC uses the same early tall rear shock with the short paralever arm (same part number as what the GS uses BTW) paired with the front longer fork legs from the GS and front sport shock making this the tallest factory stock R1100S. This setup was used in the BC races as a way to get more cornering clearance while meeting the strict requirements that only BMW parts be used.


Regardless, any model of R1100S would be a better choice with Ohlins (rear shock with height adjustment) matched to the GS length paralever torque arm, or even better an adjustable paralever torque arm. But again, my focus is on the suspension over other factors.
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[BTo clarify the suspension differences:
Later sport suspension (like the BCX/Prep/Mamola BC) used the same taller front sport shock while the newer rear sport shock being shorter than the even standard shock, but because it was paired with a shorter paralever arm it raises the rear back up.
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I dont agree with this. Why would they mfr. 3 different shocks?
Why would they drop to a shorter shock then raise it back up with a shorter paralever arm?

Thats the first time Ive ever heard of that craziness!?!?!

Got part numbers? I hate speculations.
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I dont agree with this. Why would they mfr. 3 different shocks?
Why would they drop to a shorter shock then raise it back up with a shorter paralever arm?

Thats the first time Ive ever heard of that craziness!?!?!

Got part numbers? I hate speculations.
I understand your skepticism and agree that part numbers would be good, while actual shock measurements would be better. If you get a chance, perhaps you could visit your dealer and take measurements of the rear shock eye-to-eye (wheel off the ground and shock un-laden) on a red/blue boxercup and post them here. There is also a lot of information in this forum in regard to three deferent rear shock lengths.

I got the following data from multiple member’s post over the last several years here on Pelican parts:

Measured eye-to-eye
*Standard length = 314mm & 285mm Paralever Torque arm.
*Early Sport >09/01‘ = 318mm & 285mm Paralever Torque arm.
*Late sport (post Sept.01') = 310mm & 265mm Paralever Torque arm.

(Note: A couple members here reported getting the shorter torque arm with the longer rear shock on their early sport suspension equipped R1100S-L).

*Red/Blue BoxerCup = 318mm(???) & 265mm Paralever Torque arm.

I haven't measured the latest red/blue BC rear shock, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is the same length as the early sport shock, and when matched with the GS length paralever torque arm (at 265mm) would make the bike sit higher.

Anyone here with the red/blue boxer cup can measure the eye-to-eye length of their bike’s un-weighted (wheel off the ground) rear shock?

Front Shocks:
Standard = 319mm.
Sport = 330mm.

These are the only two lengths that I know of. I understand that the way the latest (red/blue) boxer cup front ride height was increased was with the use of longer lower sections of the fork legs from the GS.
Anyone here with a red/blue boxer cup could measure from the center of the front axle to a point on the fork leg under the A-arm attachment point and then measure the same points on any S except the red/blue boxercup? If the difference is 15mm, then that would be the same as the GS fork legs.

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Re: Boxercup or Randy Mamola bike

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According to Max BMW there are 3 sport rear shocks, one standard rear shock and 2 front shocks, one sport and one standard. I'm too lazy to post part numbers.
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go with the later one.
put the correct mirrors on it. (still can't believe they did that to it).
make the rear wheel anything but white.
ride it a lot.
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I vote for the last version too.
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Aesthetically I like the 05 more than the Mamola bike.
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Defiantly 2 spark. If you really like the looks of the Mamola BC then I would be willing to swap my 04 Mamola body parts for the 05 body parts. Any takers out there?

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I have black body work with some scratches...wanna trade?
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Will trade for 05 BCR body parts only.

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So no 99 yellow plastic then?
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