power commander

rzleo · 07-15-2001, 12:55 AM

Lets get everyone together and ask for a bunch of power commanders. this bb chip sounds good but I want my map exact not weak here strong there. there are many different people on this site with many different mods there is no way bb is right on with even half these bikes. We can slap our bikes on the dyno and tune it for max power right there. Lets get some names together if there is enough demand I'm sure they'll pump one out for us.

GatsR11S · 07-15-2001, 02:12 AM

Leo, is this a programmable chip you are looking for? There's a prototype being worked on here in OZ that may fit the bill.
It will be Infra-Red controlled so mods can be done on the fly at 500RPM increments and there will be a logging version (connect your notebook) of it offered I believe.
Lennie knows more of it.

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Gary - Black 98 S 'Black Betty'

rzleo · 07-15-2001, 09:10 AM

who and how much they talking. power commanders run $329 us. are we talking around the same. there is an entire racing class for this bike I think that it would be benefitial to one of the co. to put one on the market.

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lennie · 07-15-2001, 12:59 PM

Gary,

You are right about the trim box.

There are delays getting the hardware side sorted with availability of different components. I am sure they will have it sorted.

The software side is really great in that the adjustments are made just like a carburetor in that you can add or subtract for the main and pilot jets, raise or lower the needle and it will make the calculations for you. You then apply these adjustments and presto, it is now retuned.

I hope to have a pre-production item within the month so I can get around the brick wall I have run into from a tuning point of view.

Regards,

Lennie

pdonnell · 07-15-2001, 07:56 PM

Leo,
I'd be interested in a group buy if it did something material to enhance performance. And did it noticeably. BBpower chips seem to have gotten mixed reviews which is why I backed off of it last year.

rzleo · 07-15-2001, 08:49 PM

bb power is a quick fix to my problem I need to be able to map out the mixture myself. no way as I've said before has bb hit my map on the head. How can I get a better response? nobody really seems interested. PS I'm interseted in that chip if it is in 500rpm incrimits if it is needle valve this pilot jet that I may as well slap some carbs on.

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pdonnell · 07-15-2001, 08:53 PM

Leo,
Cam's, chip, airbox, filter, exhaust,,and now another chip!! That R1 was the holy grail you needed bro. You know it!! Go out and rent one for a few day's (like I've done) and remind yourself why you like the S.

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lennie · 07-15-2001, 10:56 PM

Leo,

You have the ability to adjust the trim box just like carburetors. The benefit is that you do not have to sit there and add numbers to the individual coordinates yourself. Once you get it close to what you want you can then fine tune it in the individual coordinates.

Regards,

Lennie

rzleo · 07-16-2001, 02:24 PM

Sounds good lennie. Where do I sign up.

lennie · 07-16-2001, 03:25 PM

Leo,

So you understand I don't sell these things as they have a distribution channel setup already.

For me it will be a way to do continual development work and fine tune each change.

I have seen the software and know the guys doing this. They know there stuff. The big problem is in getting the electronic bits and pieces. Once it is available it will be a good product and simple to use. I will keep you posted as to developments.

Regards,

Lennie

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rzleo · 07-16-2001, 08:09 PM

sounds cewl

rzleo · 07-16-2001, 08:09 PM

sounds cewl

roger albert · 07-17-2001, 08:45 AM

Actually, it is quite interesting. While the BBP chip won't be 100% optimized, the setups used to derive its maps are very representative of most combinations of objects available on the market. On top of that, the maps don't have to conform to EPA/TUV etc. Given that even a significantly modified motor is only going to make 10-20hp more (and the upper end of that would require VERY significant modifications) and corresponds to map-5, That leaves 4 maps to cover the small range of requirement difference spanning a stock motor to one making 2-8 hp extra (just ballpark numbers) That's quite a bit of flexibility. Sure, more specific maps would be better, but how much. 1HP? Would you be able to derive even that w/o a dyno or other objective tests? Highly doubtful. That's not personal mind you; I couldn't either. Talk to Lennie or Bernie. It takes many many hours of painstaking tuning and some trial and error to net even moderate gains. That's with the right equip. With what most of us have, the chip is closer than you'd get anyway.

food for thought anyway

later
roger

jclark · jclark's Garage

But, but, Roger –*we just want to f**k with it.
No carbs to diddle with, chains to lube/clean, bits falling off...what's a guy to do?
Can't have a bike that *just* runs...jeeze, what fun is that?

jeff
looking for something else to spend time/money on...

johnty288 · 07-17-2001, 09:47 AM

Right On, JClark!

Spiralgalaxy5 · 07-17-2001, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jclark:
But, but, Roger –*we just want to f**k with it.
No carbs to diddle with, chains to lube/clean, bits falling off...what's a guy to do?
Can't have a bike that *just* runs...jeeze, what fun is that?

jeff
looking for something else to spend time/money on...

Ha! (Giggle)

roger albert · 07-17-2001, 02:13 PM

OK, now THAT, I can understand. You should probably go with that whole just-swap-in-carbs idea in that case.

What else could provide more fiddling time. I have a set of corroded Mikunis off a duc I could mail you that would guarantee literally weeks of 'fun'

later
roger

jclark · jclark's Garage

Roger, you mean, mo exactly, Webber's.
Ahhh....
But thats the Alfa, and this is the R1100S board.

jeff
who also loves the sound of Webber induction in the morning....

rzleo · 07-17-2001, 04:40 PM

I was planning on using a dyno to calibrate the map. That is why I wish to have the adjustable map. As far as countless hours goes I feel that to be rather exaggerated. I have access to one of the best tuners in northern ca. and I will take advantage of that.

Rapt · 07-17-2001, 07:47 PM

Roger,

Personally if I had access to an "adjustable" chip my goal wouldn't be to maximize the power but to smooth delivery as much as possible without losing anything.

If you've looked at the power curves from the various bikes you see a significant variation in how smoothly each one generates its power (Lennie's site has a really good example of this where he's overlaid the graphs from two bikes.)

For those of you who just want to tinker work on that ram air/electric supercharger system for power gains.