OT-but i have to ask...did ANY buell FX bikes finish the D200?

[repoe3]

i looked at the results and it looks like jeremy mcwilliams or whoever did the best with less than 40 laps on the bike.

so did they all blow up or just ran so slow in the race, they were done early?

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[Eron Flory]

My understanding is that not a single Buell finished the race, but I have yet to hear the reason for any of the dnfs.

[repoe3]

heard the crew dropped mcwilliams bike and busted up its front brake.

didnt see any bike, buell or not, listed as DNF...

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[Rapid Dog]

65th Daytona 200 By Honda Results
March 11, 2006

1. Jake Zemke, Honda, 68 laps.
2. Josh Hayes, Honda, 68.
3. Jason DiSalvo, Yamaha, 68.
4. Eric Bostrom, Yamaha 68.
5. Miguel Duhamel, Honda, 68.
6. Aaron Gobert, Honda, 67.
7. Geoff May, Suzuki, 67.
8. Eric Wood, Honda, 66.
9. Blake Young, Suzuki, 66.
10. Will Gruy, Yamaha, 65.
11. Ryan Elleby, Honda, 65.
12. Tony Meiring, Suzuki, 65.
13. Mark Crozier, Suzuki, 65.
14. Ricky Orlando, Kawasaki, 65.
15. Rob Frost, Kawasaki, 64.
16. Brian Stokes, Yamaha, 64.
17. Victor Chirinos, Kawasaki, 64.
18. Oliver Jervis, Kawasaki, 64.
19. Robert Fisher, Suzuki, 64.
20. Bostjan Pintar, Yamaha, 64.
21. Johnny Rock Page, Yamaha, 64.
22. Bostjan, Skuic, Honda, 64.
23. Opie Caylor, Suzuki, 64.
24. James Kerker, Honda, 64.
25. Dan Ortega, Suzuki, 63
26. John A. Ashmead, Kawasaki, 63.
27. Dirk Sanchez, Kawasaki, 63.
28. Marco Martinez, Yamaha, 63.
29. Joseph Ford, Yamaha, 63.
30. Mark McCormick, Yamaha, 63.
31. Jeremiah J. Johnson, Suzuki, 63.
32. David McPherson, Yamaha, 63.
33. Akiharu Shigeno, Kawasaki, 63.
34. Raymond Bowman, Suzuki, 63.
35. David Sadowski, Jr., Yamaha, 63.
36. John Caleb Linder, Yamaha, 62.
37. Jeffrey Purk, Yamaha, 62
38. Armonda Ferrer, Kawasaki, 62
39. Santiago Villa Venegas, Yamaha, 62.
40. Rick Shaw, Yamaha, 61.
41. Brett Champagne, Suzuki, 61.
42. Spencer Stuart, Yamaha, 61.
43. Lance Yeager, Kawasaki, 59.
44. Dejan Senk, Honda, 58.
45. Ray Gordon, Ducati, 55.
46. Morgan Murphy, Suzuki, 55.
47. Scotty Van Scoik, Kawasaki, 55.
48. Anthony Fania, Yamaha, 50.
49. Danny Eslick, Suzuki, 49.
50. Tyler McDonald, Yamaha, 47.
51. Bill Card, Yamaha, 43.
52. Jeremy McWilliams, Buell, 37.
53. Josh Day, Yamaha, 36.
54. Rico Penzkofer, Buell, 25.
55. Ty Howard, Honda, 21.
56. Trey Yonce, Yamaha, 19.
57. Keith Marshall, Suzuki, 15.
58. Steve Crevier, Buell, 14.
59. Justin Filice, Honda, 7.
60. Barrett Long, Yamaha 7.
61. Alastair Seeley, Yamaha 6.
62. Jean Paul Tache, Kawasaki, 6.
63. Nathan Hester, Yamaha, 2.
64. Mike Ciccotto, Buell, 2.

[JonyRR]

Doin' 200 miles at a basiclly GP pace is a pretty tall order for that farm-implement-deriviative sportster motor.
the seismometer at the UW went off whenever a Buell blew up. (they all blew up regardless of what some TV wonk said)

[SAHD]

The bikes were torn down yesterday. The problem all
four bikes encountered was related to the clutch hub
which was sub-contracted. The castings all had
horrible porosity and failed within a few laps of each
other.
The good news is that all the engines survived intact;
McWilliams bike was actually running faster just
before the hub started to fail.
The other issue that cropped up was the early pit
stop. It seems the 4.4 gallon capacity of the fuel
tank/frame wasn't sufficient and that they will need at least
a 5 gallon tank to contest Daytona again.
The pit stop that we all witnessed (with the bike
falling off the stand) was apparently the result of
using the wrong stand. Someone outside of the pit crew
actually handed the stand to the crew member. The
wheel went in at an angle pushing the pads back
against their stops. We all saw the crew member
pumping the lever to get hydraulic pressure back.
Interesting...attendence in the stands was up 20% from
last year. The Buells tend to polarize...you either
like the concept or you don't. The naysayers were
watching as intently as the fans. It all bodes well
for AMA racing.....
If Harley Davidson would only commit to running a
factory team and retaining Mr McWilliams.......

AND if BMW made a similiar commitment to purpose build a bike based on the R12S to run in the FX class, with NATE on board, could embarrass the XBRRs and the big4 Jap efforts.

[repoe3]

Originally posted by SAHD
The bikes were torn down yesterday. The problem all
four bikes encountered was related to the clutch hub
which was sub-contracted.

every part is sub-contracted out, no matter who's bike it is. so that argument isnt very strong. the new line of buells is assembled in the US, but every bit is made elsewhere in the world by big-name companies...brembo, etc.

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[JonyRR]

the real deal with the buell is one that goes back to the earliest days of racing in the US with the AMA; to wit...
there's one set of rules for everyone else and another, more beneficial set for Harley.
I love the concept of the new buell racedbike. But. It's NOT legal!!!! as the rulebook is currently written and all the position papers, the weasel-words and the 'concept' of a streetbike...all BS, as it's not LEGAL!! by the rulebook no matter how hard the AMA wants to wish it was, or appease Wisconsin.
If any jap (or gyropean', for that mattah) manu. tried to pull the same sleight-of-hand to get their purpose-built racebike declared 'legal' when it wasn't the screams and lawsuits would start before the press release ink was dry.
Play by the rules or don't play.
Harley COULD make a competetive motorcycle for this arena, but won't bother since thier core porduct line sells so well as it is.
I've been a privateer at daytona many many moons ago. I'd-a protested thier cheatin' azzes in a heartbeat if the circumstance was the same. If It's not legal for one, it's not legal for anyone. Not even Harley. thier rules-manipulation and having the AMA in thier back pocket is soooo blatant....

[varmint]

The pit stop that we all witnessed (with the bike
falling off the stand)

"we" all witnessed? when was the race on? will it ever be rebroadcast?



p.s. i was always under the impression that the thunderbike class was created as a buell specific playground. what does it matter if they bend the rules for them?

[gigantic]

That all the buells failed to finish seems to make the protests moot. i recall reading reports prior to the race on either roadracing world or superbikeplanet of plans for automatic protests re. the buell entry. I have yet to hear of any actual protests though. i agree. the Buell entry is totally against the rules. it does, however seem to have made it's intended effect on attendance, which is up 20% this year.
It all boils down t the AMA's consistent inability to market racing in any meaninful way. so somebody thinks, "if we let this buell compete, bend a few rules, maybey we'll get some harley riders to show up." The AMA should walk away from racing and let an organization that know's how to promote it do the job. the AMA can then focus 100% as a lobbying group to represent us riders, which it seems to have been doing a pretty lousy job of too. this is why i'm not an AMA member, btw.

[Highlander179]

From what I understand, none of the Buells had a slipper clutch which, I guess, is related to the hub, subcontractor or not. Everytime they went to slow down for T1 they were hopping and skipping all over the place. They all eventually burned their clutches out. Lesson learned for next year, I guess.

[jduke]

The head of AMA Racing has resigned and Honda has resigned from the Board. I don't know if anyone will "admit" the reason was because the AMA let Buell race or not.

[be_are_why]

it's always great when the "cheaters" lose, and lose big. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. I say let Buell/HD stay in and let them expose there technical prowess. Excellent comedy in my mind.

[Flatbutt1]

can anyone give the details of their illegality?

[wswartzwel]

Joe public can't buy one and ride it on the street for one..

[gigantic]

the gist of is that Formula Extreme is based on production bikes: street bikes...
The Buell XBRR is a factory race bike, never intended to be ridden on the street. there are several other rules infractions, but this is the biggest.

[Anton]

AMA says the Buell is legal.

AMA mays the rules.

The Buell is legal.

Quit your *****ing, they didn't win anyway.

[JonyRR]

yep; buell never homologated the XBRR for street use. No streetbike base unit, no legal for FX. Very black-and-white and illustrates how deeply the AMA is in Harley's pocket, as well as the blatant incompetence of whomever is supposedly in charge of the premiere classes of US roadracing. a farce and laughingstock.
the premiere class is the US is superbike. Frack stupidstock, er, superstock, all the other BS classes and let's get back to superbike being THE class.
there can be many support classes, 60 SS, 600 FX, etc, but there should be only one class for the 'big boys' and that class should be superbike. In addition, I'd like to see the rules for US superbike and world superbike be identical. I'd bet Mr. Mladin could hold his own very well with the world boyz if he ever chose to do so straight up.

[JonyRR]

wrong answer; by the rule book the ama publishes the bule is ill-eagle, period. the rules bending for the buell is due completely to the fact the ama will wipe the harley board of director's tushes if that's what it takes to make 'em happy.
remember when the TZ750 milers totally ate the HD XR750's lunch? harley freaked that the XR was instantly obsolete and got the bike banned; only one of many examples of the AMA pandering to the hardleys...

[be_are_why]

+1

I'd like to see the rules for US superbike and world superbike be identical.

yes. JonyRR hit the nail on the head.