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And now CK, after a full year............are there any concerns or revalations that have shown up. I just wish I had more time to ride this summer. Every time I take the R12S out.......I learn a little more about it in relation to other bikes over the years. Great respect for the brakes and for its ability to really bend over low and hold a line.......even over choppy and scared surface.

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I have owned my r1200s for almost a year. What amazes me the most is the constant questions I get when I pull in for fuel or to take a break. I rode about 100 miles yesterday with my 10 yr old Son on back. We had to pull under cover a few times to avoid the storms, so we had a lot of time to speak to other riders doing the same. No matter what brand of bike the others are on, they always have questions esp. about the Ohlins.

My favorite part of the bike is the Ohlins. I could really feel the difference at track day, but it is amazing on the road. My previous ride was a VFR, so for comparison to another BMW it would be hard to compare.

I would say that on a scale of 1-10, I think the R is a solid 10, I absolutely love this bike. For me and the rides that I do, plus my time on the track, I could not be happier.

Changes? few cosmetic items would be it.
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I think the only complaint is the poorer quality paint, or lack of good clearcoating...

But I said that a year ago.
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Hey,

After a year do any of the new r1200s owners have anything to add or disagree with?
Sure.

The weight difference from the 11S is more like 50+ lbs., according to the WET weights I've seen in old 11S tests.

The bike seems to get a bit stronger after several thousand miles.

I'm not a wheelie guy, but just a 1st gear roll on will do it, much unlike the 11S.
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In addition to what others have said, I will add that the R12S is a pleasure to work on. The fairings come off smartly and the commonly-replaced items are all simple to get to.

I just did the 6000 mile valve adjust yesterday and the bike seems to get faster and faster all the time. You can't sync your own TBs, which is kind of a bummer.

I think BMW would sell more of them if the prices were lower. To me, that's the major barrior to more sales. That's why I bought mine (slightly) used I guess.
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I've enjoyed mine so much over the past year with track days and the mountain roads at home, that I decided to turn it into an LT and ride it to Montana this month (1200 miles each way-2, 600 mile days). Ordered my saddlebags, Zumo 550, HID lights, just can't figure out how to mount a trunk and trailer on it yet!

Two complaints. The first is been the extreme cutoff at the top of the headlight beam at night. It is a challenge at night on tight mountain roads (can't see ahead in a turn). I installed HID's last week - WAY brighter than the stock bulbs. I will be installing PIAA 1100s tonight to "fill in" the void I experience in the tight twisties at night.
The second is I've knocked the front fender loose twice due to slamming the front wheel down too hard when chopping the throttle 'cause the bike wheelies so darn easy. I guess I have to "grow a pair" and ride the wheelie and settle the front end to the ground.
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Having had my R1200S a little over a year myself, the one thing for me that was an initial gripe was the non-linear throttle. I thought that the engine felt too "soft" rolling it on. That opinion changed once I started being much more aggressive after the first .6K break-in & service. Now it's just standard operating procedure to give the throttle plenty of twist.

Also, I still remember the first time feeling the in-line four rush above 6,500 RPM and thinking that this is one incredible boxer engine! I'm not a wheelie guy either, but I can confirm it will pull the front wheel up without any problems in first gear.

Funny, I don't seem to have any problems keeping up with my friend's R1 on the street this year......

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It could a been the best sportstourer...

Craig,don't buy a ZTechnik if you worry about buying american.ZTechnik pipes are made by Arrow in Italy...
Why do you want to buy another R1100S?
I think the R1200S would have been a sales success if they'd offered the bags right from the beginning as also practical stuff as a K1200R-S type seat,rack and centerstand as options as also a slighlty higher windshield and bar risers and a gallon,gallon and half bigger tank...And not tried to appease the magazines which did not work out anyways by leaving all the useful and practical stuff off the options list just to prove the S being a "true" sportbike and not a sporttourer.
Then there would be no need anymore to lust over a R1100S...
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nice write-up CK, you have ramped up my R12 lust even more, and I have a pretty tricked out BCR at home, so i'm not lacking...but oh for a black R12!!! of course I would need the Ohlins, heated grips, wide wheel, hugger, and ANYTHING other than the dual pig anus muffler! as far as beer size big, small, drink em all!!
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I'm not a wheelie guy, but just a 1st gear roll on will do it, much like the 11S.
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I try to hold the front down during first but mine will even get 1/2" light in the top of second.....no clutch mess....just power. The first/second shift could be smoother, however. Wish BMW could make as sweet a tranny as Ducati.
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Re: It could a been the best sportstourer...

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Craig,don't buy a ZTechnik if you worry about buying american.ZTechnik pipes are made by Arrow in Italy...
Why do you want to buy another R1100S?
I think the R1200S would have been a sales success if they'd offered the bags right from the beginning as also practical stuff as a K1200R-S type seat,rack and centerstand as options as also a slighlty higher windshield and bar risers and a gallon,gallon and half bigger tank...And not tried to appease the magazines which did not work out anyways by leaving all the useful and practical stuff off the options list just to prove the S being a "true" sportbike and not a sporttourer.
Then there would be no need anymore to lust over a R1100S...
I wrote that over a year ago. They were my impressions after my first long ride.

I stand by my paint comment, BMW needs to get it right for all their bikes.

ZTechnick isn't going to make a pipe for the r1200s we now know. And I had Arrow on my Ducati, it was a nice pipe.

These days I would have a hard time going back to the r1100s, or having both in the garage - I'd prefer a r1200gs to compliment it.

Comparatively, although the r1100s is a beautiful bike, for me it needs a diet and one of those slimming belts now that I'm used to the r1200s.
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I'd say your observations are right on the money. The weight difference is most noticeable to me when I hop back on an R1100S. But, I also like that solid feel. It's just not as athletic. I really like the gear indicator, and the transmission is completely different and shifts nicely. I think the hard hit at around 6,500 got tuned out with a later version of the software. Mine's much more progressive than the one I test rode a year ago. The lower bars don't bother me as much as I thought they would, except at very low speeds. I agree the seat is way better, although it doesn't look like it could be. I'm much happier with the ginormous factory tank bag, too. I can put a good amount of camera gear in there, and still have room for a jacket. I love not having to add oil like I did before.

Gripes- BMW should give priority to ordered units. Hopefully, they've changed that astonishing lack of consideration. I didn't get some of the stuff I ordered, like trip computer, which would have included the fuel gauge. Not a biggie, especially since you get a countdown when you reach reserve. Thankfully, the tire pressure monitor can be added and the alarm piggybacks that cheaply, too. I see no downside to getting the 6.0" rear wheel w/190 tire that I didn't order, though. The paint is crap. I can see wear marks where my knees rub the tank, and that is unacceptable. I expect BMW will be warrantying a lot of body panels. Luckily for them they didn't build a lot of these bikes. BMW should also let Ohlins sell their shocks directly. Hardly anyone is going to pay a dealer $2,200-2,500 to buy them at a dealership. Most will go with another brand or wait and see.
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So you are saying that Ohlins won't sell the parts that BMW is using unless its though a dealer ? Will they rebuild the BMW parts directly or through a non-BMW shop ? Never thought of this.

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Our big mystery after 10 months is who ran into the back of ours and bent the reflector completely under and up leaving rubber marks on it. And they did it without knocking it over as far as we know.

No complaints about the bike. Paint is a little odd (black)

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For whatever oddball reasoning, Ohlins are not available for the R1200S from any aftermarket source.

A ridiculous business strategy if the intent was to make more money on the monopolized sale of Ohlins to bike owners like me. There are so few r1200s bikes sold, less the ones that already have Ohlins = a tiny amount of customers that they simply end up pissing off. Especially since you can buy them for any other BMW on the open market.
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A ridiculous business strategy
The Pitbull front stands were like that for a while if I remember correctly, but I did get one from Pitbull directly. Still on the Ohlins, I would think they would rebuild the 12S parts for you. Hope so (but not for a while)

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But I would not want them rebuit, I would want to put new, fresh Ohlins on, but not buying from BMW at a marked up price.
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I see. Yes, the option for new should be there at a reasonable cost. I have been waiting for the ESA buyers on the K/S and K/GT, etc. to start relating replacement cost estimates once the warranty runs out. Shouldn't be too much longer. Those won't be inexpensive either.

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