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Ah so Dr. (Phd. in what?) is Jim...well stated Mark...give it up Jim..."mine is bigger" "mine is faster" "mine is prettier" is really wearing very thin...who really cares if your bike goes 160+ or if any bike goes 160+... Are you only about speed? Then take it to the track..put on your leathers, win track races with the big boys......I believe most riders enjoy the total experience from the canyons to the super-slabs...but don't fret you will get into Valhalla even if your bike is not the fastest Boxer on the planet...you just will not get there as fast..Like JL Seagull discovered the perfect speed is a process not a scalar measurement.

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NOT a miracle........simple fact. What is wrong with a BMW air cooled twin being able to run 160 plus.............and then it be perfectly OK for other bikes to be able to run 160 plus? Why the fit of doubt when its one of our own? Gosh Mark........I truly think you and others should be very excited about this.

Please state flatly that you do not believe a stock R12S can be made to run 160 MPH EVER no matter what. Is that what you are saying? If so state it firmly and also state what you believe its (stock R12S) top speed to be. How fast will a stock R12S run Mark, according to your information as a non-owner?

............but also promise to apologize to your brothers here when you are shown to be 100% misinformed and wrong in your down sided speculation.

I will fully retract my figures and apologize to all if the bike will not run exactly as I have stated. East Coast Timing Association.......standing mile.........no problem.
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Phil your comment.............and then look at your byline below. You will be the first to backtrack on your on thoughts when you finally get the bike you have ordered. Just wait and see. You will want to be a "grizzly"........or at least know you can be, if the need ever arises.....

Your bike will come thru with a 2.75 (slightly less up top but gets there quicker) but thats your decision to make.

Sorry this is "really wearing thin" as that is not something I wanted. Nothing special about me or my bike.............we are all on a level table here. I just wanted to express my surprise at how fast these new bikes are and still can not believe the resistance of my brothers to accepting this. On to other things...........perhaps a aftermarket exhaust system for it.............BOS, Lazer, Remus, Staintune, ect. Not that it needs it however.................
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Jim, I'm not responding to you anymore. I swore not to a year or so ago, but I got sucked in again. Knock 'em dead, drive safe, enjoy your bike.

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Well since I have a bike coming and it has the "Alternate Final Drive"....which drive is that? 2.62 or 2.75? Not that it matters....doubt if I can tell the difference, but I'm just curious as to which one BMW calls the Alternative.
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2.75 Bob.........or so I have been told. Thoughts??
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Jim, I think I'll enjoy the shorter gearing more, actually. Whether it'll go 150 or 160 won't matter more than once just to see. The rest is pull through the gears. Startin' to get antsy now that ones coming.
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I think most of the 1200's are 2.75

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Yep, you're getting the 2.75 gears.
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Thanks guys.
Hey ck....do me a favor and wash your bike, will ya? It's hard enough being anal, but half-way across the country hurts.
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Has anyone else gps'd this thing yet?
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Has anyone else gps'd this thing yet?
144 on a Garmin GPS60C. Stock exhaust, 190 rear, 91 octane fuel.
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Er....Ah......Um.........we have seen the hi 160's and above on the San Jose R1200S's.
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Er....Ah......Um.........we have seen the hi 160's and above on the San Jose R1200S's.
On a GPS? What altitude and octane fuel were you using? My run was at ~3800 ft on 91 octane.
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Sonoco Race Gas and Radar near sea level. Non stock final drive unit.

Here is a shot of Brian Parriott at 160 in the rain at Daytona.

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Ah so. Wish I could afford some SnakeOil race gas.
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Ask either Nate Kern or Brian Parriott about there experience racing against 1098's on their lowly BMW R1200S's.
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Just kidding Dean, I thought that might get a response.I know the 1200S racing record very well.I understand Curve's obssesion with the improved 12S, very impressive for a air-oil cooled twin.But let's get real, traffic is getting slower and bikes are getting faster.After 100mph, it's not worth talking about(the track is a different issue).
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Well Mark, maybe they are invoking special relativity. After all, it seems this new BMW does approach relativistic speeds by Dr Curve's account. I suppose if you don't use the earth's inertial frame as your reference this bike can do 160mph stock, but other than that I think aerodynamic drag gets to be a b*tch.

As Mark stated, you can't calculate top speed from gearing and as someone else stated, working with two significant figures can't possibly yield more than two back anyway. Top speed is solely about drag and horsepower. Other effects are so small they can almost be neglected. Drag is proportional to velocity squared so that expanded series will converge rather quickly compared to other effects

What's it matter? Someone laid down a GPS challenge and no one has had the balls to try it. Hell, I'll let someone borrow my eTrex Vista and do a run. Radar, speedo, yada yada...they are all inaccurate compared to the accuracy of a modern GPS.

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, and I don't necessarily think that the bike won't do 160. I have no clue nor do I care that much. Just quit arguing about it...get a GPS and end the discussion.

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