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What's a better track bike, the one behind door number one or two or .... money always being a very important consideration ... door number two is probably too much.

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I kind of like the CBR streetfighter in black
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try the NESBA or WERA or CCS boards for listings...you are bound to find the right bike for your needs (both riding and financial)...the kawi was the only remotely good looking bike you posted and unless you are really savy on the track, a liter 4 cylinder is a lot of bike to deal with. a liter v-twin is a different story. best bang for your buck, a zuki 750 after a season or two of track and amatuer racing.

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I'd mostly ditto repoe.
Even a 600, though not as impressive as a 750 or 1000 on paper, will serve you well. The bike, even a 600 (or even little sv) won't be the limiting factor at all but the biggest tracks with the longest straights. At that point, it's like being on the interstate anyway.
None of those bikes looked like great choices. Again, any of the school or racebody boards has good choices on their boards.
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Dan,

If you're riding it at calabogie and Shannonville go small. I would buy the RG250 myself but I'm a small bike/two stroke nut. I would probably check into servicing costs for the little 250 and if oyu really want ot get the most out of your trackdays it's not exactly the most reliable and most cost effective. Rebuilds are going to be regular occurnce for you.

The ZX10R gets my vote for best deal since it is ex-factory but man it's so fast and useless on a track like Shannonville which is so bumpy. Calabogie is much better but a 600 will do there. I never topped my ZX10 out at moSport and I did top out my RC51 there. But for the track it is the best prepped of the ones you've shown. The R6 looks rough.

The VTR also gets my vote. A change of front forks to CBR900 series forks will prevent bottoming. I know you ride it and deal with the issues but my VTR always bottomed out on the street let alone at a track day. But after our trackday on Sunday I was thinking it would have been nice to have kept my VTR. The track suits it.

VTR gets my vote, plenty of aftermarket race stuff for it, fast enough, different, a twin, and a Honda. No flies on that one.
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Go for a modern 600. Literbikes are too fast. The superhawk looks like fun though
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My vote for good first track bikes would be:

1) Suzuki SV650
2) Kawasaki Ninja 250 (no joke)
3) Japanese 600

It's just silly to consider anything bigger than a 600 for a first track bike. Power is not going to be your limiting factor on the track. I'd also look carefully at the cost of maintenance / repairs and the availability of spares. The Suzuki RGV is supercool, but you'll be hating it when you need to find spares and fix it. Keep it simple. Ninja 250s are everywhere and can be found in race trim for $1500 or less in street trim. Parts are everywhere. Great first track bike. The SV650 is similarly universal, but has more potential. If you've never done a track day yet, use your current bike first to see if you even really like track riding.

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Doh,

Missed the SV650. Best bang for the buck modern track bike outside of boring I4's if you ask me.
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I'd go with the SV-650 first, then the R6. i take that back, I wouldn't touch the R6 in that ad for half their asking price. The SV with some suspension mods- zx636 shock & Gsxr usd forks & radial brakes is the way to go. the suspension mods can be done for under a grand, easily, just check ebay.
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the very bestest track bike is one that you have absolutely no emotional ties to. no history. no attachment.

the very bestest track bike is one that you can totally toss away, watch it cartwheel into tiny pieces and honestly say to yourself: "yea, well i knew that was coming someday."

brand/size/make/model doesn't matter.
track bikes are totally disposable. like turkeys at thanksgiving, pigs at easter, chicken eggs and that girlie you fondled in high school out behind the bleachers during the friday night game.

a 250 will keep you the most busy. way too much fun to ride.
a 600 will leave marks on you, way sooner than most of the 250s.
anything bigger and you're just asking for plaster.
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make an endtable out of the hulk when it gets tossed.
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Thanks for all the input guys!

Here's an email from a friend in Montreal

I can get this for a couple of days work ... would this come back and bike me in the ass?

"I would love you to take my 1992 FZR1000 away. Wouldn't even cost
you any money since I'll need a little work done on my house
(kitchen tiles and/or ceiling and some wall sheetrock repairs) and
you could get it for about CAD1,000.00 of work on your part. The
motor was just rebuilt with a 6-speed gearbox (stock is 5-speed) and
the valves were adjusted. It doesn't smoke and runs fine except for
the carb issue. I never did have the stock jets and it has never run
100% right at low (under 3,000 rpm) revs. I have another set of
carbs also without stock jetting which never helped. I have the
stock engine as a spare, I have a spare gas tank modified for larger
capacity, I have a spare solo seat, a spare exhaust slip-on (loud).
Finally it will also need a new fuel pump but I've used an
aftermarket (auto-parts) fuel pump on my dirt Fazer which cost only
CAD100.00 and worked great. This thing will make a great and cheap
track bike. Right now it has a big Renthal motocross handlebar but I
still have the original clip-ons if you prefer.
Please come and get it.......soon."
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FZR1000's handle like pigs. They have really really wierd ergos too. Good street bikes but I would'nt buy one for the track. Save up for a more modern bike. You can get a nice SV for $3-4K
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Get a SV650 for a first track bike. Its PERFECT! 600cc Jap bikes are good, but you will learn better on a SV650. It might not be the fastest. But it is perfect for a track bike. Buy a used track bike too. They are cheaper then buying a new or new'er' bike and making it into a track bike. I have done one track day so far. Its a lot of fun. I was passing people on 1000cc bikes, and 600cc bikes. There were a lot of Ducatis there. (It was a ducati track day but all were welcomed). It was a great time. Trust me get a SV650 track bike. You will be faster and smooth in the long run.
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ah, if we are talking FIRST track bike, then yeah, an SV650 or 600 for sure. control riders/racers and boogie well, even on some of the longer tracks with 600's as they carry good corner speed and maintain momentum and then zoom out of corners.

admittedly, corner speed was something i struggled with on my R6. it was the bike's fault, moreso i should have had the suspension reworked for my weight. with scott on it, he is much lighter and the stock chasis suits him. now on the tuono, its chasis is incredible, and i only have the showa stuff, not ohlins. fiddled a little with the settings and that thing is a direct link to my brain. now if i could get on the throttle harder out of exits, i would find those precious 1-2 seconds i am always looking for

another recommendation...don't get anything older than a handful of years...these old pig of bikes out there are not going to help you on the track. i equate it to when i used to train people how to use a computer, but they were stuck using some archaic sluggish machine. when they did something it took so long to computer, the user thought they did something wrong and start clicking on more things and hitting more buttons only slowing it down further. get something reliable, spares on ebay or a model wrecked on the streets enough by squids to repair.

yeah, a tuono might not match that description, but we are taling first track bike. i am no stranger to falls, it comes with the territory.

also, as strange as it sounds, it is nice to have the bike with a plate to check things out on the street. the tuono still sports a tag and gets ridden on the street or backroads. but then you have to figure minimal insurance, etc.

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Selling for sweat equity. I'd "buy" the FZR1000.

Dan don't know if you saw the guy on the old GSXR1100 at Calabogie but he had no issues running with old tackle.

Of course Yellow Racer is right about old bikes but you know that already.

The nice thing is the FZR isn't far off the S and you certainly had no issues staying at the front on the S.
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SV

First gen SV s are cheap and almost bulit proof. Tires are another big + for running a SV. My brother will use 2 sets of supercorsas for 20+ days. I have seen a gix 750 rider destroy SC slicks in less than 20 min. ( he is pretty fast)
SVs are also good for sleeping.

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