Antispin retrofit

peter f · 12-20-2008, 02:45 AM

Well friends

Not exactly an R12S issue that one.

A friend of mine got a 05 R12ST + ABS (IMHO a first class visual atrocity). Had a 06 CBR FireBlade (IMHO the business - try one). Reasons for doing this still under investigation (maybe he was drunk when signing the dotted line).

Came to my house the other day and said : can I retrofit an AntiSpin thing? ( I forgot the acronym - available in some 08 bikes and on) I said: that's Big Brother stuff, not my style, anyway > ask BMW. He said : bring me option n2 please...

Is he hopeless?

AntonLargiader · 12-20-2008, 04:18 AM

Not without replacing a lot of parts with parts from an ASC-equipped bike.

ASC involves different versions of the iCluster, the ABS unit and the BMS-K, and even then I doubt the GT1 would have the ability to enable that feature on a bike that was not so equipped originally. If he wants ASC he needs to buy a bike equipped with ASC.

Guest24 · 12-20-2008, 05:03 AM

We do have folks on this forum that see the ST as the leading edge of bike design. Your point can be made without throwing rocks at the ST's appearance.

Deans BMW · 12-20-2008, 05:22 AM

Absolutely what Mr Mayor said.

147 on the Bonneville Salt Flats.

peter f · 12-20-2008, 06:47 AM

Please accept my apologies (was some kind of Greek acid humor, he he)

You know Architects...passionate with (fixed) Ideas about aesthetics and the likes. Besides I was talking for the looks and not the Engineering (but given the opportunity...I don''t like the looks even on my R12S, that bulky tail unit - Architects, he he)

signit98 · 12-20-2008, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nail24

We do have folks on this forum that see the ST as the leading edge of bike design. Your point can be made without throwing rocks at the ST's appearance.

Sometimes, blindness can be a blessing...

Rapid Dog · 12-20-2008, 09:18 AM

...under rated bike the ST...so, does anyone know what this thread is about?...

TX_R12S · 12-20-2008, 09:26 AM

I think it was about whether changing to synthetic oil will add 40hp.

Guest24 · 12-20-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapid Dog

...under rated bike the ST...so, does anyone know what this thread is about?...

Traction control retrofit.

But, we can always use another oil thread hijack.

Rapid Dog · 12-20-2008, 07:12 PM

...I think a spring is in order...

Guest24 · 12-20-2008, 07:24 PM

My R12RT has Automatic Stability Control. I'd hate to have to scab on that set-up. It is an option on the R12R also I believe.

signit98 · 12-20-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nail24

My R12RT has Automatic Stability Control. I'd hate to have to scab on that set-up. It is an option on the R12R also I believe.

Yeah, one that sets you back half the price of the bike when it breaks... and it's not an "if" either... but then, one can only hope that you'll have about 100K miles on it by then... which will make it worthwhile!

Guest24 · 12-20-2008, 07:33 PM

I think it is supposed to last 100k Ralf (if you never ride it in the rain)

AntonLargiader · 12-21-2008, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by signit98

Yeah, one that sets you back half the price of the bike when it breaks... and it's not an "if" either... but then...

Do tell. What breaks?

Guest24 · 12-21-2008, 05:36 AM

Anton, can you explain to this layman just what is does for me on my RT? The owners manual is almost too vanilla.

signit98 · 12-21-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AntonLargiader

Do tell. What breaks?

...of the three bikes I have personally know, Anton it was a sensor once and the control unit twice... two cruisers and one R12R.

The sensor fix was under warranty, one of the control units on the cruiser was not... and the guy decided to "ride it out" and sold, rather than swallowing the estimated repair cost of $2400.00 (apparently some other stuff had to be replaced in the process)

Those were early bikes as well... one can only hope that this was an anomaly. BMW was after all, the first company to make the step and put "traction control" into a motorcycle... I was toying with the idea of getting a bike with said system (it's tied into the ABS electronics, also measuring speed differential between the wheels, just under acceleration as opposed to deceleration) as I have always liked the idea.

But, I got spooked a little by the stories above... aside from that, no bike has come along in my price range that was equipped with it...

peter f · 12-21-2008, 08:51 AM

Well

I just had the opportunity to try this Big Brother thing in a R12GS 08.

The theory says that the thing could prevent a high-side (at least this is my theoretical interest on that gizmo) by cutting the power (exactly by what means? have no idea) if/when some difference (front-back rot speed) is detected via the ABS sensors.

After the "test" (+ "some" ...erm...moments), Peter (yours truly) says that I'll stick to my Metz M3 (the most progressive tire known to me) for that matter...

bradzdotcom · bradzdotcom's Garage

hopefully cutting the power means reducing the power.

the best way to execute a 5-star high side is to cut the power with the rear end kicked out...or run out of power....either way you're screwed.

i'm assuming that it would just reduce power, which could help bring the rear back into line with the front.
maybe.
does it back down power when the rear spins more than the front at any time? that'd sure make climbing hills a little frustrating. and what about wheelies?

AntonLargiader · 12-21-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by signit98

...of the three bikes I have personally know, Anton it was a sensor once and the control unit twice... two cruisers and one R12R.

Cruisers, like R1200C? They never had ASC. What cruisers?

There are no additional sensors. There is no ASC control unit.

signit98 · 12-21-2008, 09:38 AM

no, not ASC control unit... the bike's control unit... call it ECU or whatever... hence the hefty price tag... if you read what I wrote: "it's tied into the ABS system"... maybe I am just lacking proper explanation skills... again.

Ah, the good old 1200C... nope, completely had that ugly image out of my mind... thanks for bringing it back...

I consider the big K Bikes cruisers as well... as a matter of fact I consider anything that sleeps a family of 6 and has enough space for the kids to play their nintendos in the luggage a cruiser.

I.E. Goldwing, GT, HD Dresser etc.

There, is that better? Or are you just trying to pick on me, Anton? If so, bring it on...