Oil filter..Scarry stuff

[turboflyer]

Ran across this is a search. Why are there no flow rates published. Geez I was all ready to get some M1-102s for my bike. Is there no end?


Jeffytune27th May 2005, 03:57
Hi all.

OK, as we have ben talking about oil filters lately, I now have more info that I need to tell you all, and hopefully i can save you engine.

I have ben searching the web for a Mobil 1 oil filter for my bike, but I was not able to find a listing in a Catalog, just a couple web pages that showed two different numbers, a M1-102 and a M1-301.
I tried a M1-102(Cost me 10.95) and I started the engine, I notice that the pressure was 5 to 10 pounds higher then before with the Wix.
Harleys oil pressure port in between the pump and the filter, so the reading is BEFORE it gets into the filter, so the higher reading was because the filter was restrickive.
I also looked into the oil tank to see if it was flowing, the flow was very slow, after a short ride, the engine was hot, but the oil was not getting hot.
So I shut it down, and replace the filter again with a Wix 51215.

I called up Mobil and asked if I had the wrong filter, they told me that they do not sell motorcycle filters, and were not sure if it would work on my bike. They do not make these filters, so he gave me the number for Champion filters(They make Mobiles filters, and STP's).
I got to talk to one of there engineers, and this is what he told me.

Do not use this filter on a motorcycle. It does not have the right by-pass or flow rate, and if it damages your engine, you are on your own.
He then suggested the STP motorcycle filter as a sutable one.

After work today, I had a chance to talk with a tech friend of mine, Harley Bob at Paridice Harley. He not only has 45 years as a harley Mechanic, he has a 2001 1200s that he drag races, and runs high 10's, he I trust.
I asked him about this filter and this what he told me.

If a bike comes in with non harley filter and has a engine failure, they will check the filter numberm if it is not a Motorcycle filter, they can, and most likely will cancil the warranty.
The uses of a Automotive filter is outside of that fed law that lets you use an aftermarket filter, You can only if it is oked for that vehical.

Lastly, my Fram rep called on me, and had a CH6065a in hand, and we cut it open at work this lunch, you may remember that I told him my disapointment with my last filter, well, the chrome one(The CH6065A is the chrome one) still has all metal cap ends a a good solid well spaced filter eliment, so this is not what I have seen on those web sight, he said there showing there budjet filters, use the chrome ones and you should be ok.

The bottom line is, don't beleive these web sights as they can leed you down the wrong road, and don't use a car filter on your bike, If it costs you a engine, you will be all aloan with a dead motor."


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[cageyar]

Just my opinion, but I don't understand the search for alternative oil filters.
I've got $21,600+ invested in my R12S-I'm not looking for the cheapest filter I can buy.
I order 6 at a time from the BMW dealer in Chicago. With the shipping, they were just under $14 each last year.
I'm sure other dealers mailorder filters for a resonable discount from the single filter price. Why take chances and screw around with unknown applications?
Isn't the Mann filter a decent alternative if you just can't stomach paying BMW?

[signit98]

It's kinda hard to take a HD motor as an example... they are not built the same way as our boxer engine!

HD motors have roller bearings and really do not need the amount of oil flow the the boxer engine needs... the fuel pumps in HD engines are considerably weaker and thus, the oil pressure is lower.

Your argument, however, is a valid one... but it falls within the nature of human beings, to look for a bargain... sometimes of the expense from which the old adage of "you get what you pay for", stems.

But, it's not always looking for a bargain.. sometimes it's ease of use... some people live a long ways away from a dealer and are looking for an easier way... I like K & N Filters, as they have a nut attached to the bottom that makes removal and installation easier.

There are many-a-reasons... not all money motivated!

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by signit98

It's kinda hard to take a HD motor as an example... they are not built the same way as our boxer engine!

HD motors have roller bearings and really do not need the amount of oil flow the the boxer engine needs... the fuel pumps in HD engines are considerably weaker and thus, the oil pressure is lower.

Your argument, however, is a valid one... but it falls within the nature of human beings, to look for a bargain... sometimes of the expense from which the old adage of "you get what you pay for", stems.

But, it's not always looking for a bargain.. sometimes it's ease of use... some people live a long ways away from a dealer and are looking for an easier way... I like K & N Filters, as they have a nut attached to the bottom that makes removal and installation easier.

There are many-a-reasons... not all money motivated!

Gotcha ya.
They already have me anyway. I popped the $60+ for the BMW oil filter tool.
What did W.C Fields say about one born every minute?
I just like having the tools. Makes me feel like i know what I'm doing.

[turboflyer]

Maybe posting this gave the wrong impression. I personally am not looking for the cheapest, just the best. I personally believe you get more of what you pay for the more you pay for it. We just do not always get the best by paying more. Just when I have decided to do some thing, BAM!, some one throws a wrench into the fan. I know I am asking for the wrench but that is a another story. Just as some would swear by OEM no matter what, I have found out sourcing is crimping the quality on a wide range of products. I currently have three hiflos on the shelf. You know one of those anal people the want to be ready for the uh emergency over night service. My new Honda will be getting the pure one filter. Also have three of those sitting at the ready. The Honda has already been updated with N42 magnets to trap those metal particles nothing elses will stop on the engine and trans. BTW N42s on the 1100S rear and trans drain. I think we all want the best money can buy with the money we have to spread around. Now having said all that, all the cars and motorcycles I took care of like I was going to keep them forever, wounder where they are now. Being anal is a sickness, there is no cure at my age. Now take my oldest son, 125K on his Honda civic and not one automatic trans oil change, not one. I think he is my son.

[signit98]

Well now, the HiFlo's - although not bad filters - have no bypass valve! While that only matters when the filter is TOTALLY clogged, it still is a shortcoming in some people's eyes...

I use them too, on occasion, btw.

[turboflyer]

Seems they must have changed the way they make them. Just cut the old one open. The by-pass is a phenolic like disc with a spring back load. Best guess using a digital bathroom scale is 12-14 lbs of pressure to open.