2010 r1200gs?

kocook · 10-01-2009, 09:27 AM

The new 2010 R1200GS?

AndrewA · 10-01-2009, 10:45 AM

I doubt it.

Not many current GS owners are screaming for more power. If anything, they are looking for simpler, lighter, and less complicated bikes (ie less potentially stranding electronics...).

Stampertje_35 · 11:10 AM

It could be ... but I don't think it would be ...

The HP2 radical valve head is too labor intensive,
so it makes the GS/RT/R bike too expensive in $ ...

I'll be surprised if it should be

geothepencil · 10-01-2009, 11:30 AM

If this is how they keep the boxer alive for a couple more years, then yeah, maybe it is. I got the impression it was simpler in the adjustment area. No ?

geo

jduke · 10-01-2009, 11:36 AM

I imagine it's correct. To make shipments the first of the year, it would have to be hitting production about now so rumors are probably based on facts. This time. Maybe.
But just because it has features like the HP2Sport, doesn't mean it's going to be anywhere near the power output. BMW generally let's technology trickle down their production line. True DOHC are a natural evolution for the boxer engine. They just had to wait until the technology and manufacturing crossed some internal cost line.

cageyar · cageyar's Garage

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Originally Posted by geothepencil

If this is how they keep the boxer alive for a couple more years, then yeah, maybe it is.

Anything that keeps it going is fantastic. I've ridden just about every configuration out there and I've never had a more satisfying ride.

shreddr · shreddr's Garage

the "S" needs something more than that. the HP2S was more about the bling than a hot rod motor. a new R12 or R13S is gonna need water cooling and 150HP minimum. it doesnt surprise me they put it in the GS, throwing that motor in a new S would have been a surprise and a little too little too late. time to bring on the heat, and I dont mean S1000RR

tjs · 10-01-2009, 04:39 PM

If that picture is correct ... it looks like they went back to a twin spark head. tjs

cageyar · cageyar's Garage

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Originally Posted by tjs

If that picture is correct ... it looks like they went back to a twin spark head. tjs

It looked to me that the picture was Photoshopped.

AZ-Twin · 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cageyar

It looked to me that the picture was Photoshopped.

Since Dean posted that, I doubt if it is a fake.

signit98 · 10-01-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AZ-Twin

Since Dean posted that, I doubt if it is a fake.

Don't bank on that...

peter f · 10-01-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shreddr

the "S" needs something more than that. the HP2S was more about the bling than a hot rod motor. a new R12 or R13S is gonna need water cooling and 150HP minimum. it doesnt surprise me they put it in the GS, throwing that motor in a new S would have been a surprise and a little too little too late. time to bring on the heat, and I dont mean S1000RR

Power with 100% TPS means nothing. Kinda like the 3rd marriage: triumph of hope VS experience.

Find a 1198 (or a KTM) and test ride it (20, 30, 40 TPS) to see what I mean (and then dyno the thing AT 40% TPS - make the same with any R12S and/or HP2S...differences are chaotic).

Joe the Viking · 10-01-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shreddr

the "S" needs something more than that. the HP2S was more about the bling than a hot rod motor. a new R12 or R13S is gonna need water cooling and 150HP minimum. it doesnt surprise me they put it in the GS, throwing that motor in a new S would have been a surprise and a little too little too late. time to bring on the heat, and I dont mean S1000RR

Water cooling the boxer wouldn't be a problem but the added weight and complexity probably wouldn't strike a chord with the GS crowd and they are what is keeping the boxer alive. BMW are never going to develop an engine JUST for the sport/touring line.

That being said I'm not sure why the engine would have to be water cooled for more power. For noise pollution requirements maybe but the question is when (power vise) does oil cooling the engine become heavier/more complex/financially less viable than water cooling it?

cageyar · cageyar's Garage

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Originally Posted by shreddr

the "S" needs something more than that. the HP2S was more about the bling than a hot rod motor. a new R12 or R13S is gonna need water cooling and 150HP minimum. it doesnt surprise me they put it in the GS, throwing that motor in a new S would have been a surprise and a little too little too late. time to bring on the heat, and I dont mean S1000RR

How about instead of a flat twin with water cooling, a flat 4-cylinder air-cooled.
1200-1500cc, somewhere in there. Each cylinder size would only be about 300-350cc with smaller, lighter pistons. And the DOHC would be easy with the cam chain or gears running between the cylinders.
Totally different kind of bike but when Honda took the GoldWing from a flat four to a flat six, it extended the life of the machine up to now, about another 20 years.
I'll bet it could be made light enough to still be a sport bike, have great power, and retain most of the flat format characterisitics. The exhaust however would have to exit down instead of front-rear.
Or maybe I didn't get enough sleep last night.

AndrewA · 10-02-2009, 04:20 AM

Those photos were allegedly rendered by Solo Moto Treinta and have been around for a a number of weeks.

There are a couple of different versions; some showing square rear frame tubing and single thumb turn signal gear, some just blurred pictures of "mules".

Solo Moto Treinta

levert · 10-02-2009, 06:04 AM

Most R1200GS never see dirt.Guys use these for long hauls combined with rough secondary roads.I would think most guys want less complexity, I know even one old member here who sold both his 1200 to get away from the canbus.
After riding lots of miles on R100gs's, 1150 and 1200, a lot of it in single track I think BMW's line up of the 800 and 1200 to be a good strategy.Make the 1200 a more comfy long distance weapon that can do dirt and save the 800 for those who like to really go down the beaten trail.In the dirt the 800 is surprisingly good.

Deans BMW · 10-02-2009, 06:53 AM

The R1200GS and RT will use a detuned version of the HP2S engine, the bikes should be shown at the upcomming Intermot, USA deliveries to dealers will prolly be in Feb. Current luggage and accessories should fit on the new bikes, valve adjustment will be bucket and shims, the same shims used in the K1200/1300 and the vertical twin 800's. Valve adjustment intervals should longer, but not sure about this.

RWHP's should be in the 105 to 110range with similar torques as the current R12's but starting at lower R's.

I have San Jose's first one on order............

tjs · 10-02-2009, 07:59 AM

I'm going with Dean on this one. The only 2010 R models listed are the R12R and HP2S. tjs

markjenn · 10-02-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Deans BMW

...valve adjustment will be bucket and shims, the same shims used in the K1200/1300 and the vertical twin 800's.

Anybody here done a HP2S valve adjustment? Pull cams? Special tools? Time?

- Mark

shreddr · shreddr's Garage

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Originally Posted by tjs

I'm going with Dean on this one. The only 2010 R models listed are the R12R and HP2S. tjs

where is this list?