Booster Plug

[Droptarotter]

Have you guys seen this? http://www.boosterplug.com/index.html
It looks like what one of the members here had made. OwenM, I think?


Any thoughts?
Cheers

[SergioK]

There's a thread on ADVrider right now regarding this. Isn't it just a resistor to fool the OAT sensor?

[Droptarotter]

Yeah, it looks adjustable, though? Edit............Oops..........not adjustable.
So to start a lively thread...........how would this compare to the FRK?
Flame on!!!!!!
Cheers

[tm1100s]

Hey, this $.10 resistor is only $150.

Website put online only a few days ago, 12/08/09.

And unless someone has dissected the FRK and will admit it, comparisons and claims are ALL BS.

Keep the spam, Roger, it's more entertaining.

[Droptarotter]

Here's another one..........only much cheaper........Fyyff Thermistor Thread For Gs - ADVrider

Cheers

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by Droptarotter

Have you guys seen this? boosterplug.com
It looks like what one of the members here had made. OwenM, I think?


Any thoughts?
Cheers

he claims to be scandinavian living in denmark, and goes by the name of Jens. thats not Owen..

[signit98]

Originally Posted by shreddr

he claims to be scandinavian living in denmark, and goes by the name of Jens. thats not Owen..

Denmark IS part of Scandinavia... Jens is a very typical name for that area and it is on the INternet!

Must be true then...

[Droptarotter]

Originally Posted by shreddr

he claims to be scandinavian living in denmark, and goes by the name of Jens. thats not Owen..

Jeff...........I was not meaning this was OwenM.........I just meant that one of the members here was making something like this for his own use. And I thought that was OwenM.
It was mentioned somewhere in the bowels of your FRK thread.
Cheers

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by Droptarotter

Jeff...........I was not meaning this was OwenM.........I just meant that one of the members here was making something like this for his own use. And I thought that was OwenM.
It was mentioned somewhere in the bowels of your FRK thread.
Cheers

gotcha! i do recall a member being named Jens here...

it was interesting that in the FAQ they bash the FRK about its microprocessor function.

"Competitor plug-and-play products claim to include microprocessors and the ability to read RPM from a sinus wave in the AIT line?

Bull**** !!

Sorry for using bad language, but it's the only word I know that really describes this kind of statements."

[lht]

Anyone know someone at MCN? . They might get all of them and do some real (world)testing?

[throttlemeister]

Originally Posted by tm1100s

Hey, this $.10 resistor is only $150.

I like how he says it's a 10 cent resistor, and then tries to sell it for $150. Gotta admit, that's balls.

[AndrewA]

Originally Posted by Droptarotter

Yeah, it looks adjustable, though? Edit............Oops..........not adjustable.
So to start a lively thread...........how would this compare to the FRK?
Flame on!!!!!!
Cheers

The primary difference between the two designs:

The FRK tricks the ECU into thinking it is always a very specific, fixed, colder temperature, thereby tilting the ECU fueling map to richen the mixture. The FRK makes the ECU think that it is always a specific temperate, weather is is 110F out of 40F. Always, no matter what the ambient temperature is, the FRK, with its mysterious electronics, delivers a spoofed 25F to the ECU.


The Boosterplug uses the existing, stock, Bosch AIT, as well as an external, temperature dependent resistor (called a NTC sensor) to vary the amount of electrical resistance provided to the ECU which then tilts the ECU map to provide a richer mixture.

The net result is that the Boosterplug will provide a much more consistent fueling over a much greater range of ambient temperatures than the FRK will.


Brilliant.

[Droptarotter]

Originally Posted by AndrewA

The primary difference between the two designs:

The FRK tricks the ECU into thinking it is always a very specific, fixed, colder temperature, thereby tilting the ECU fueling map to richen the mixture. The FRK makes the ECU think that it is always a specific temperate, weather is is 110F out of 40F. Always, no matter what the ambient temperature is, the FRK, with its mysterious electronics, delivers a spoofed 25F to the ECU.


The Boosterplug uses the existing, stock, Bosch AIT, as well as an external, temperature dependent resistor (called a NTC sensor) to vary the amount of electrical resistance provided to the ECU which then tilts the ECU map to provide a richer mixture.

The net result is that the Boosterplug will provide a much more consistent fueling over a much greater range of ambient temperatures than the FRK will.


Brilliant.

I am still trying to understand this.................I guess I should have gotten my Grade 10?
Cheers

[shreddr]

let's turn this into another 600 post FRK bashathon!

[AndrewA]

The Boosterplug does exactly what the FRK does, except it has the added ability to adjust for different ambiance temperatures.

Game over for FRK.

[jduke]

Andrew please don't take this personal but unless you've tested both products all you've proved is that you can recall selling points and believe one over the other.

[AndrewA]

Originally Posted by jduke

Andrew please don't take this personal but unless you've tested both products all you've proved is that you can recall selling points and believe one over the other.

I have tested the FRK on a BMW with both a GS-911 an well as a scope. I know exactly what it is and what it does to our BMW ECU's. Regardless of what the claims of the marketer of the FRK may be, the resulting effect to the ECU is what it is.

The FRK is simply a devise that provides resistance to the AIT circuit, thereby enriching the lean fuel mixture. It essentially "tilts" the ECU map. That's it. That's all that it does, and all than it can do if it is attached to the AIT circuit. Period.

The Boosterplug does the same thing as the FRK; it provides resistance to the AIT circuit, thereby enriching the mixture. Certainly no rocket surgery here - this technology has been around since the advent of fuel injection.

Without getting too deep into the weeds here , the big difference between the two is that is that the Boosterplug compensates for different ambient temperatures via its external NTC resistor, whereas the FRK is designed to maintain a constant 25F temperature, regardless of what the outside temperature is.

That is the difference between the two products.

[OwenM]

I have already looked at the idea of using a thermistor in place of a fixed or variable resistor (its an obvious option) but the ones I had in my parts box where not suitable.

One way to get a thermistor with a suitable temperature coefficient is to buy a second and possibly a third genuine BMW sensor and put one or two in series with the original sensor, that should give good tracking over temperature.

At the moment I am happy adjusting a variable resistor as necessary while I ride.

[jduke]

Andrew, have you tested the Boosterplug? I think you need to before you claim it's over for the FRK.

[BMWSaint]

Originally Posted by AndrewA

That is the difference between the two products.

Andrew: How did your $20 experiment work out? I'm watching the snow fall in increasing quantities and thinking of more winter projects...!