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Tirefriar 01-14-2017 09:17 AM

Best battery for the BCR
 
I'm sure this topic has been covered before but with advent of new technology I hope my inquiry is relevant. My battery is giving up a ghost. I'm looking for the latest and the greatest that works best on a 2004 Boxer Cup. I would prefer a type of battery that would work with a factory trickle charger, but open to recommendations.

tanneman 01-14-2017 09:29 AM

Lead acid and gel batteries should be ok on a stock trickle charger. LiFePO4 batteries require a different intelligent charger like the CTek. The latter batteries are also lighter.

Tirefriar 01-14-2017 09:42 AM

Any negative affects on the charging system or electronics in general?

tanneman 01-14-2017 10:06 AM

An intelligent stock or Optimate will not fully charge the LiFePO4 batteries. You will need a CTek or similar to charge LiFePO4 batteries. No issues with mine. Keep it charged every so often, cranks the bike ok, no issues to report with the LiFePO4. The charging system just tops up what has been lost, it doesn't drain the battery but uses the battery current to generate current to power the electrical system.

Also make sure your battery contacts are clean and not oxidised, the starter cables are secure and the alternator charges at 14.4V. Also test the battery current (A=Amp) as this is what you need to crank the engine. To test put the multimeter in circuit and not across the poles like testing for voltage. If the amps are down then the battery is duff.

Just an example to help if you are not conversant with it. Remember to disconnect the power source before attaching any test equipment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWA9WqSEjg8

nathanmargolis 01-15-2017 07:37 PM

The last battery I purchased was from Beemerboneyward, an AGM, about five years ago. Can't remember the manufacturer as there has never been a reason to pull fairings off since. Cost? Do remember about $80.
Know there are several websites that sell batteries only. AGM batteries ship just fine.

Tirefriar 01-15-2017 10:44 PM

Thank you for the recommendations. I did some search through bike forums and many psi tie comments about the AGM batteries. Motobatt is about $85 incl shipping. I also came across comments that these are sensitive to overcharge. I use the BMW battery charger, will this be fine or do I need something else?

tjs 01-16-2017 09:56 AM

I have been using BMW trickle charger part # 71 60 7 688 865. Works fine on AGM.

plexiform 01-16-2017 10:06 AM

i have battery tender on all my bikes including the r1100s (AGM batteries) all the time. Works great. I don't ride them often and still they start right up.

Tirefriar 01-17-2017 01:09 AM

Great to know. Thanks

Chris Canning 01-17-2017 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plexiform (Post 9434822)
i have battery tender on all my bikes including the r1100s (AGM batteries) all the time. Works great. I don't ride them often and still they start right up.

I used to do that till I took a bike off one rode 175 miles and the battery died As soon as I stopped the bike because the tender had been masking the condition of the battery,put the tender on for a couple of days take the bat to full charge then leave off for 3 weeks and start again.

If it won't stand for 3 weeks you know its real condition.

sgoodwin 01-17-2017 01:33 PM

I agree with Chris, no need to keep it on the charger forever. I've found if left too long it tends to fry the battery even with a tender with maintenance mode.

ckcarr 01-17-2017 02:13 PM

The best battery isn't the one that starts the bike in the garage before a ride. It's the one that starts the bike when you're out in the middle of nowhere for the ride home.

Chris is right too. A green BatteryTender light in the garage doesn't mean the battery is good once you're on the road.

signit98 01-19-2017 10:02 AM

In line with that:
Left the house yesterday morning, went down to the beach to check the surf. There I tried to start the bike... one click... everything dead. Had to go home, get an older battery in order to even start the bike, Wouldn't start, even with jumpers.

AGM battery, some 3 or 4 years old.

Going back to the old tried and trusted PC535. That battery lasted longer than any other I ever had.

Mitch1100 01-19-2017 03:42 PM

Shore Lithium in my BCR..don't need a trickle charger.

Tirefriar 01-21-2017 08:03 AM

Just looked up Shorai lithium - about 2 1/2 times the price of a Motobatt but almost 4 times lighter. Hmmm....

sgoodwin 01-21-2017 10:08 AM

Here's what I put in 2 bikes, zx14 & Aprilia mille, both bikes fire right up with this battery & I have only had one on a charger in about 2 years, just because I let the bike sit for a couple months, it didn't really need charging as the light turned green in minutes. They claim it will charge on their tender plus, which it seemed to do just fine.

Deltran Battery Tender Battery Lithium Iron Phosphate 14 Amp 240 CCA- BTL14A240C | eBay

Tirefriar 01-22-2017 08:22 AM

Thanks sgoodwin. This seems like a great deal, I contacted the seller.

sgoodwin 01-22-2017 02:47 PM

Wait til you see how small these are. They come with a pile of stick on foam blocks so you can fit them to any size hole. They weigh literally nothing.

Tirefriar 01-22-2017 04:23 PM

Sgoodwin, how long have you had your Mille and how do you like it? I went to ProItalia, local dealer for Italian brands, and was very impressed with Aprilia. I put my SB8R without looking to replace it, but what I seen and what I read about Aprilia RSV and RSVR was very impressive. I think if I'll make a move, it will be on the RSVR Factory

sgoodwin 01-23-2017 05:22 AM

I've had the Mille for about 3 years. I got it with only 8k on it & now have over 20k on it now. I find the handling near telepathic. Only had a couple problems, one electrical, which the Italians are infamous for. I eliminated one of the plugs from the stator to the regulator that was starting to get crispy & gained about 2 volts extra charging power. Mechanically my only problem was a leaky clutch slave which is nowhere near the problem it is with the bmw. I fell in love with the motor on the first test ride & have only done some minor work to improve on it, a modified collector pipe & a gabro's chip have opened up power from end to end of the rev range. A friend has the RSVR & I find I like my Mille better even though his is more powerful, the seating is more on than in & I find that more comfortable. If your interested in all things Aprilia you might check out AF-1's forum...ApriliaForum sponsored by AF1 Racing, inc.. I'm not the only one here on it.

jduke 06-15-2017 11:07 AM

Just ordered a Deltran lithium for my R12S, thanks for the info.

sgoodwin 06-15-2017 01:09 PM

My Odyssey died recently & I now have a Deltran lithium in all 3 bikes. It was interesting finding a way to tie down that little battery in all that space under there. So now with the ABSectomy & replacing the Odyssey battery (all 15.4 lbs. of it) I've removed around 29 extra lbs. off my 1100S, all of it up high. if I include my Laser cat delete pipe & muffler I figure another 15 lbs. easily, as the cat & stock muffler are boat anchor heavy, that's around 44 lbs. of dead weight gone, a very noticeable difference in handling ease. As a side note that little bitty battery fires up the BMW faster than the Odyssey ever did, impressive.

jduke 06-15-2017 01:19 PM

Just think, a well applied enema and you could be in the feather weight class!!
Seriously, thanks for the link.

sgoodwin 06-15-2017 01:48 PM

Now we have to wait & see how long these miniature powerhouses last. I can say I'm not looking forward to peeling into there again any time soon. The one in my zx14 is close to 2 years old & has only been on a tender once for a few hours until it was charged back up after sitting for a couple months unridden, probably didn't need to charge it up anyway.

Glad I could help.

Chris Canning 06-16-2017 02:42 AM

I've had mixed results ith lithium the one on my SM is 3 1/2 years old and works perfect the one on my 955 Tiger went belly up while riding and I later found out that the supplier of the new Reg/Rec I fitted does nor recommend using lithium with their product.

Lithium on an 1100s sure is a one way ticket cuz if it fails you really are up a gum tree untill you get the bike back home to fix it,we have various lithium options over here but Deltran is way over $300 what spec have you fitted.

jduke 06-16-2017 06:25 AM

This is the one I ordered from the link sgoodwin mentioned:

Search Results

giarcg 06-16-2017 06:35 AM

My PC680 is on year 9 with no sign of letting up.... amazing.

jduke 06-16-2017 06:45 AM

You just put the kiss of death on it, it will now die on you on a dark, deserted road.
The only sound you hear is a faint, but getting louder live version of the Deliverance theme...

Chris Canning 06-16-2017 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giarcg (Post 9628465)
My PC680 is on year 9 with no sign of letting up.... amazing.

I run a big tank on my 1100s so I use PC545 put the first on in 03(which is still being used to light an inspection lamp) and put the second one in 2014 or was that 13 :)

Chris Canning 06-16-2017 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jduke (Post 9628450)
This is the one I ordered from the link sgoodwin mentioned:

Search Results

Thanks.

sgoodwin 06-16-2017 06:54 AM

Chris; don't know which reg/rec you have on your Tiger but a friend with an '03 955 Daytona went through 6 oem reg/rec before he listened to me & got a Rick's reg.rec. He hasn't had any problems since. Apparently they had a bad batch & instead of canning them they just kept replacing his with the same pos again & again. Some would only last a month before crapping, the best was maybe 6 months. I don't know how a dead lithium is any worse than a dead agm, dead is dead. I can't say anything bad about the Odyssey PC680 as the PC680's lasted 7 & 8 years in mine. I just wanted to drop some weight up high as it had made such a positive difference when I removed the weight of the ABS. I wonder why Deltran is so expensive over there, we can get them for just over $100 here.

Chris Canning 06-16-2017 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgoodwin (Post 9628496)
Chris; don't know which reg/rec you have on your Tiger but a friend with an '03 955 Daytona went through 6 oem reg/rec before he listened to me & got a Rick's reg.rec. He hasn't had any problems since. Apparently they had a bad batch & instead of canning them they just kept replacing his with the same pos again & again. Some would only last a month before crapping, the best was maybe 6 months. I don't know how a dead lithium is any worse than a dead agm, dead is dead. I can't say anything bad about the Odyssey PC680 as the PC680's lasted 7 & 8 years in mine. I just wanted to drop some weight up high as it had made such a positive difference when I removed the weight of the ABS. I wonder why Deltran is so expensive over there, we can get them for just over $100 here.

Electrex is one of the major suppliers over here and having gone back to a Yuasa all is good that's not a reflection on a lithium just me going back to the status quo,re them being dead I'll happily jump start a conventional battery not sure I'd be so happy doing the same to a lithium,that's not to say it can't be done but I haven't!!!.

Chris Canning 06-16-2017 07:11 AM

Just re-checked as I see you have gone for the smaller version but still comes in around $180 but might have a look at that having changed every nut and bolt to Ti and gone for Dymags among other things to get weight off.

sgoodwin 06-16-2017 07:24 AM

Yeah, I debated about going for the 360ca version but the 240ca fires up that big zx motor like nobodies business so I kept with the same one. The 360ca one goes for around $150 here on ebay so still not too expensive but unneeded to fire up everything I own. It weighs around a pound & a half according to their info but sure feels lighter in the hand.

giarcg 06-16-2017 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jduke (Post 9628476)
You just put the kiss of death on it

That thought crosses my mind every time I report on it's continued service...

shreddr 06-17-2017 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signit98 (Post 9438887)
in line with that:
Left the house yesterday morning, went down to the beach to check the surf. There i tried to start the bike... One click... Everything dead. Had to go home, get an older battery in order to even start the bike, wouldn't start, even with jumpers.

Agm battery, some 3 or 4 years old.

Going back to the old tried and trusted pc535. That battery lasted longer than any other i ever had.

+1

wswartzwel 06-17-2017 04:24 PM

I have had more than a few customers that have had poor experience with the new ultra light batteries. Have a Dakar in my shop right now that we put a AGM back in, so he could have a reliable bike.

sgoodwin 06-17-2017 08:48 PM

Sure go ahead & hex me. :D

wswartzwel 06-18-2017 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgoodwin (Post 9630487)
Sure go ahead & hex me. :D

You are in warmer climate than we have... I wouldn't worry about it.


But i tend not to worry about other peoples stuff... :)

ckcarr 06-18-2017 06:45 AM

And Florida is a long, straight, flat push home. With people randomly shooting at you. So no worries there!


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