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Wheel Balancer

I'm thinking about purchasing a wheel balancing kit from Marcparnes.com because
I'm ****ing sick of arguing with people. Anyone have any experience with these
good or bad? Any other recommendations?

The local Honda shop can't get it right (front wheel only). Their machine keeps
giving different readings every time they put the wheel on and then they even
showed me how they can do it by hand...

Who am I to argue with Mr. cocksure with 35 years of experience? Why is the
wheel still finding a heavy spot on a static balancer (he tells me this is good, right
in front of my face)?

I'm sorry a balanced tire should not return to a heavy spot.... Or have I been wrong about this all these years?!

Sorry.... Rant over....
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I have one. Personally, I think it's great. And you're no longer at the mercy of anyone. I had wheels balanced at a dealer once... but they weren't. Couldn't go over 90 mph. I thought something else was wrong... Re-balanced myself with the Marc Parnes balancer and got them perfect... Not a wisp of vibration.

You just have to be patient working with it..
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I pulled the trigger and ordered it. I'm done with this dance.

I feel like this happens way too often.
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Worth the money in my opinion. A friend invested in a No-Mar tire mounting kit and we use my balancers to do his, mine and a couple of others tires. Note that we strive to get the best balance of the tire/wheel by checking the balance before setting the beads and rotating the tire on the rim. The last tire went from 3 oz. to less than 1 oz. that way. Take your time to get the best results.

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Take your time to get the best results.

Mmmmmmmmmm.

I can feel the OCD coming on now....
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I have a Parnes balancer and a NoMar tire machine.......don't have to go to a dealer to get any wheels done.
I had Marc Parnes make me a special set of balancer cones so I could balance my BST rear wheel. Stock Parnes BMW cones will not work!

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I got the Goplus balancer on Amazon last year ($32). It works really well. My bro, the MC mechanic, was impressed with how accurate and sensitive it is. Works on my R11S and K12RS wheels.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IV9P77M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I also have a MarcParnes balancer setup. Works.

Our rear wheels can be fitted to a dynamic balancer used for cars and that works, too. The fronts won't fit on a dynamic auto wheel balancer unless it has a small diameter shaft.

If you balance a tire dynamically (spin balance, if you will) and then put it on a static setup, it won't read the same. There will be a heavy spot. The dynamic balancer picks the best balance using both types, static and dynamic, and applies the result. That's the best way I can explain it. I've tried this several times and thought I was doing something incorrectly, but either way, the tire ran smooth. That, along with our m/c tires being more narrow and usually lighter anyway, and a static balance being off a bit dynamically, it doesn't give the full adverse effect (or is it Affect). That's also the best I can explain it. Any physicists in the stands?

How complicated does it get? Some auto tires come marked with a heavy or light spot in red or yellow and also with blue, green, and more spots for first, second or third harmonics affecting the balance.
It gets complicated, but you can't use most of that info anyway, so who cares?


Anyway, never had a problem with the Parnes.

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The local Honda shop can't get it right (front wheel only). Their machine keeps
giving different readings every time they put the wheel on and then they even
showed me how they can do it by hand...

I'm sorry a balanced tire should not return to a heavy spot.... Or have I been wrong about this all these years?!

Sorry.... Rant over....
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I've tried this several times and thought I was doing something incorrectly, but either way, the tire ran smooth. That, along with our m/c tires being more narrow and usually lighter anyway, and a static balance being off a bit dynamically, it doesn't give the full adverse effect (or is it Affect). That's also the best I can explain it. Any physicists in the stands?
Let me ask you this as you probably have experience with this.

If you put a wheel on a dynamic balancer and it shows 20g is needed, you stick the
weights on, spin it again and it 0s out.

Great.

If you take that wheel completely off of the balancer and then put it back on, spin it,
would you expect to see the wheel at 0 or would it need 20g again?
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Let me ask you this as you probably have experience with this.

If you put a wheel on a dynamic balancer and it shows 20g is needed, you stick the
weights on, spin it again and it 0s out.

Great.

If you take that wheel completely off of the balancer and then put it back on, spin it,
would you expect to see the wheel at 0 or would it need 20g again?
I would expect a wheel and tire combo that was balanced and 'zeroed', then re-installed, to still be balanced. After adding the 20g I certainly wouldn't expect to need the same amount of weight to get it balanced again. Having said that I've encountered these things:

I use a Parnes balancer for m/c wheels and haven't had a problem. I've balanced rear wheels on a spin balancer and had them not match the static balance but both work. Obviously there are dynamic forces at work that we can't resolve on a static balancer but we minimize it by splitting the weight required between both sides of the wheel. That's basically a guess and an approximation because we really don't know where or what side of the wheel has the imbalance. Any problem I've had with the Parnes was always related to the way the tool was installed and setup and mostly with the cone not going all the way through the seal to capture the bearing. Wheel not centered properly. Locking pins out of position. Operator error.

I've also had a couple of issues with the dynamic (spin) balancers, mostly operator error again with the wheel not being centered on the shaft properly, the wheel not tight enough and not maintaining it's position on the shaft, but also having the machine lose it's orientation or calibration and needing to be rebooted to get it's 'calibration' back. The last one is odd because the result is asking for all kinds of different weights and positions that make absolutely no sense. But if the problem is a machine issue, then what?

All of this assumes that inside the tire is clean and dry, no lube, moisture or beads floating around.
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Bringing up the tire dots, good point. Some people like me, forget they're there...
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I got the Goplus balancer on Amazon last year ($32). It works really well. My bro, the MC mechanic, was impressed with how accurate and sensitive it is. Works on my R11S and K12RS wheels.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IV9P77M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have the same type balancer and so far even without the BMW adaptors 110 mph (only on a track of course!) and no problems. I think it was under $50.
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Looks very similar to this one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-wheel-balancing-stand-98488.html

I admit, I bought one a while back for only $19 just for the stand to use the Parnes stuff.
Price is up. Must be making up the whole $500B deficit just on these things.
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So I got the balancer and went to work.
The balance seemed to be pretty close from the shop.

I had a shelf sitting on the floor in the garage and spun the wheel on the balancer with the shelf close to the tire's edge.

There was a ~4" flat spot in the tire. No doubt.

Tire's been replaced, I balanced it and all is good with the world again.

Of course the shop manager seriously doubted that it was the tire but exchanged it anyway
without checking it. Said he was too busy to check and I'm on my own if I had trouble with this new one too.

That rubbed me the wrong way.

This isn't the first time I've purchased a bad tire.
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Looks very similar to this one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-wheel-balancing-stand-98488.html

I admit, I bought one a while back for only $19 just for the stand to use the Parnes stuff.
Price is up. Must be making up the whole $500B deficit just on these things.
Looks exactly like my Goplus from Amazon.
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Mine, also from Harbor Freight, has served me well over many years. I replaced the 2 pair of HF wheels with better, free-turning ones from the local hardware store. It's produced perfectly balanced wheels for both the street and track.
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You guys are unlucky. Brought my wheels to a local shop, while I was still talking to the foreman I could see the tech already checking the bearings for play and lube even before leaving to the shop. Wheels were perfect.
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No... you were just lucky!
(We had the usual luck. The center of the bell curve)

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You guys are unlucky. Brought my wheels to a local shop, while I was still talking to the foreman I could see the tech already checking the bearings for play and lube even before leaving to the shop. Wheels were perfect.
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I've used a Marc balancer for years. In fact bought it for the S.
When I get tires mounted I telll the shops to forget the balancing. It's never right.
Doing it yourself is easy insurance.
Get plenty of stick on weights.

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This isn't the first time I've purchased a bad tire.
New Metzeler NEXT on my 2017 GS...

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