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Best Boxster track pads

Thought I'd throw this out.

I'm at the end of the line with my Pagid Oranges. I really like their feel on track, but they tend to leave a lot of pickup on the rotors.

So, the question - what is the best pad for purely DE driving (I swap for the brakes in for track days). I've heard good things about performance friction - any other recommendations?
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:44 AM
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Just my experience. I don't track, but I put Mintex on my car when I bought it, I saw they were made by TMD and the price was amazingly cheap. Anyway they really work great but the dust is awful and so hot it makes actual little pits in the rims. I had put Akebono on my Benz last year and couldn't be more pleased. They work great and very little dust...what dust there is large and flaky and rinses right off.

I had enough with the Boxster so I just changed them out in the front with Akebone...now wishing I hadn't been so cheap to start with.

I have no affiliation them and there maybe other brands that have no dust also, but I really can't say enough how pleased I am...all my friends with German cars complain about dust (40 miles on the Benz and needed cleaning) and I tell them to change them...then they say oh no I would never take the factory brand off...I'm like ok then don't complain.

Oh also no extra wear on the rotors on the benz, I heard all this crap about that and it simply hasn't come true for me.
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more dust means they're working!

When switching pad compounds on the same rotor, some pad transfer is somewhat normal. Pagid's in particular don't like being run with other pads on the same rotor. The PFC's aren't as sensitive to it in my experience.
I'm track only with the Boxster so I run Pagid Blacks all the time nowadays
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I am thinking about giving Porterfield R-4 (not R-4S) a try when I am done with my set of Pagid Orange. I read a lot of good things about them
What did NOT work for me at all were the "Cool Carbon" which are sold here (sorry Wayne), they wear twice as fast as Pagid and the brakes felt very spongy.
I changed them on the track for Pagids and the brakes felt rock solid and confidence inspiring again.
Another good pad (which is also being sold here) is the BHP-XPS.
The company went out of business some time ago but it seems to me that Wayne bought all of their inventory when they went out of business
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Personal favorite... Raybestos ST-43. A custom order for base Boxsters but a stock item for Box S.

This is a full race pad designed for open wheel and GT racing. They are expensive, last forever, and never, ever exhibit pad fade from overheat. When cold the do squeal like a school bus and I have never switched between them and a street pad without complete bedding. I just mounted another set tonight and bedded them in for F.O.S. TT this weekend.
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Anyone have experience with Carbotech XP10s? Based on some other Boards, they sound good.

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(I swap for the brakes in for track days).
You swap the rotors and the pads?
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Not rotors - just pads
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I have the Portefield R4S on my 97 and absolutely love them. Work great on the street, as well as the track. I used to run the R4 on my 914 race car, and loved them there as well, though they definitely needed to warm up.

The rotor wear is also minimal, and the R4S' have not given me any dust issues, unlike the R4's that turned the sides of my 914 black. But they sure stopped, which is what I wanted.

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more dust means they're working!
True, but as I said the Mintex work great and feel great...but my cars stopping with the Akebono is limited in normal street driving by the tires and anti-lock not the brakes
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I forwarded this thread to my supplier for suggestions.

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I agree with the guy who said switching pads on the same rotors is a bad idea. He is getting material to transfer because the rotors will have high and low spots that heat uneven and that's when pad material tends to deposit on the rotor.
I've personally seen it work, and then I've also need it have problems.

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Mintex for me. Excellent for the money. Pagid and Mintex are part of TMD, the largest OEM pad supplier worldwide. Before changing friction pad formulas, a slight cut down on the rotors is ideal (if not changing hats).

Years ago, I was involved with a few OE pad suppliers. The production and factory tours led me to see some interesting and guarded trade secrets. It's amazing to see plants producing pads for others yet not marketed by the same.
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I didn't know that Mintex makes track pads, which ones are you recommending?
What do you mean with "slight cut down on the rotors"? - machining?
Does not work with cross-drilled rotors
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You can machine cross drilled rotors, but to a proper limit. No chamfering needed. I'm saying the Mintex are cheap for the money and seat in nice. For some play dates and with lots of cool down sessions, the Mintex are just fine. When its time to change them, just install another set of the same formula to that same rotor. It's a molecular thing.

I read you on the dust pickup and whipE350 about pitting ally wheels. Thats a personal choice. Dust is pittance (pun) compared to your life depending on the brakes. To me, if one is driving 10/10 - track timing, I would say no and just stick with what works and feels right for you. That said, perhaps in your case stay with the Pag Orange. And if budget is not a concern, some second spare set of track wheel / tire combo might go just right with track hats / pads.


By the way and since were on the subject of brakes:
I have noticed china made rotors everywhere on the aftermarket. These are crap products and as a warning to some, if you end up with them, toss em'. By all means, NEVER machine them. MORE IMPORTANT: There have been reports of bogus Pagid pads on the market! These are china frauds. This is a serious comment and in no way do I have anything against Pagid. Pagid is a first class top tier company. Reports of the bogus pagids are also posted by TMD.
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We sell the Cool Carbon pads, which have been well received by the folks who have purchased them in the past...

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