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All of a sudden nothing happens in gear clutch out

This morning on the interstate in stop and go traffic all of a sudden I hear some kind of noise which sounded like the tranny popping out of gear. Then I have nothing at all from the car. It is running and revving while the shifter is in gear. So I made it to the side of the road and had it towed home. It is like its stuck in neutral now.

Any ideas?

The car starts fine and sounds normal.

I just looked at the linkages on the back of the tranny and that looks fine there.
Where to go from here?
I have the car up on my lift. I bought the tow truck driver breakfast to help me get it up on the ramps and onto the lift.
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Does the shift cable have resistance or is it mushy? Possibly the cable is broken, even though it's connected at the rear of the car.
You can select gears from the shift linkage at the trans from underneath. Put it in any gear and move the wheels, or try to. (engine off, of course)
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When I shift the shifter the rod moves in and out of the tranny, so I don't think the linkage is bad. Thats what I was hoping for.
If the shifter is in a gear the car will roll like it should not. It's basically like the clutch is pressed in.
The clutch pedal itself feels okay when pressing it, I didn't notice anything unusual like a bad cable I once had on a different car where you felt nothing when pressing the clutch.

There's nothing happening between the flywheel and the gears of the transmission.
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Well...it sounds like you need to pull the trans to see what's going on. Sounds like it is in the area of the flywheel, clutch plate or throw out bearing. If there was no catastrophic bang when it happened, then all input shafts should be OK. Possible that the slave cylinder hose is so swelled up it is holding the clutch plate to the flywheel. Who knows. Only way to tell is to yank it out. You can leave the engine in but it will need to be supported by another jack.
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With the car on a lift, how hard is it to remove the transmission?
Is there anything else I can do to try and figure it out before removing the transmission?

I suppose I will need to get a transmission jack to support the tranny.
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With the car on a lift, how hard is it to remove the transmission?
Is there anything else I can do to try and figure it out before removing the transmission?

I suppose I will need to get a transmission jack to support the tranny.
you need to support the engine in place and the trans separately, to be able to lower it.
Here is the Tech article.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/37-TRANS-Drop/37-TRANS-Drop.htm
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Ya'll seem to be dancing around the number one suspect. The clutch. You probably have a blown clutch, the friction disk has disintegrated into tiny asbestos laden fragments. Gotta drop the trannie to get to the clutch anyhow. Be sure to have the flywheel resurfaced.

BTW, Been there Done that! Sorry.
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Asbestos. I guess I will have to wear my respirator then.
Probably wont be until December though that I will even bother to get under there.
Too much other work going on that I won't be able to dedicate time to this.
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If you have access to a lift and a transmission jack, that's half the battle. Not a bad idea to wear at least a particle mask. And while it's possible to do the clutch yourself, a helper isn't a bad think. I don't actually know if there's asbestos, but it's not a bad idea for clutches and brakes.

I'm starting an engine swap next weekend, on the ground. Strategizing at this point as the replacement engine isn't here. Figure a motorcycle jack will do the trick--I've done a front diff on a Dodge 4wd Pickup with one.

As for dedicating time, it's gonna be down til you get it fixed. you don't have to do it all in one operation. Do it in free time, manageable bits.
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check your cv joints before pulling trans. I have seen them break internally and car would have no drive. Good luck
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check your cv joints before pulling trans. I have seen them break internally and car would have no drive. Good luck
Good idea. I haven't pulled the trans yet, I was thinking that.
I did pull the exhaust last weekend though.
All the boots look perfect though.
I guess when I detach the axles now from the tranny I can check them.

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Since you first posted, Steve, I've pulled my old engine and installed my replacement. And driven it with the top down (it is Tucson after all.) With no lift, using a cherry picker, various jacks, and a pair of built up, reinforced furniture dollies. Took a while, because I was learning on the job.

Not to fuss at you, but what are you waiting for? A walk to the corner store or even a thousand mles starts with a first step. We're here to encourage you and help if possible, but you gotta get the wrenches out and git 'er done.

You can rent a trannie jack or if you have a tool chest on wheels, you can lower it onto that. You can make an engine support out of 2x4's or 4x4 and a bit of chain or a good cargo tie down strap. While you're in there, check your axle boots and your motor mount. And replace any hoses that look bad. Good luck!
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It's been cold here in Va.
Also, I have been busy working my regular job plus taking grad classes too.
I was hoping to pull the tranny off this weekend.
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It's been cold here in Va.
Also, I have been busy working my regular job plus taking grad classes too.
I was hoping to pull the tranny off this weekend.
Wish I was closer, I'd come over for moral support.
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Was just messing around under the car, I had to order a new long hex key socket to get the axels off and a new triple square set to undo that one bolt on the tranny. My regular tools won't work there in either place.

What is the verdict on the single row pelican IMS? If I have an existing single row bearing I am probably going to get that kit.
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Was just messing around under the car, I had to order a new long hex key socket to get the axels off and a new triple square set to undo that one bolt on the tranny. My regular tools won't work there in either place.

What is the verdict on the single row pelican IMS? If I have an existing single row bearing I am probably going to get that kit.
I ended up taking a cheap HF deep well 1/4" drive socket and a cutoff allen key and fabricating a tool to get the axle bolts out (and back in.) Worked well and I could use a 1/4 drive torque wrench. Clean the axle bolt heads with brake cleaner, you want the allen key to be a proper fit.

I think that triple square bolt is just the German engineers way of saying "don't tamper with our motorcar!" Perverse and mean. I ended up drilling a progressively larger hole crosswise in the side of the bolts head and used an allen key with a cheater bar to get it out. As I had a bucket full of nuts and bolts from the engine swap, I replace it with a conventional 6 point drive bolt and used a standard wrench to tighten it down. The bolt had a shoulder on the head.

The only other special tool I needed was a 17mm allen socket. 3/8 in drive I think. Inexpensive & nicely made, it was available at a local parts chain, nobody else seemed to have them. For changing the oil in the transmission.
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I ordered a set of long allen sockets and a set of triple square bits from amazon.
Also got an impact rated t55 for when I get to the fly wheel.

The triple square bolt is a shame because I already had a set of triple square sockets, but theres no way to get the socket to work on that one.
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any advice for popping off the shifter cables?

https://cdn4.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/37-TRANS-Drop/images_med/Pic3.jpg

mine don't seem to want to come off.
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I got the shifter cables off. I got that evil triple square bolt out. I was ready to start unbolting the rest of the tranny, but my transmission jack was messed up.
So I had to go exchange it. I will work on detaching the transmission tomorrow.

So far the worst things have been the shifter cables and the exhaust nuts. 5 of my 6 exhaust bolts sheared off. So I am going to have to do some drilling and cutting to fix exhaust bolts back. Luckily none of the other nuts were rusted as badly and were able to come off.

So basically plan of action is to detach the transmission and see what parts I need to order from there. I have already gotten a new clutch kit.
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Transmission is out. Clutch disc is indeed the culprit.
All the rivets holding the center sprocket to the outer sprocket had sheered off.
I think I may have the double row IMS.
I can't get a clean look at the IMS cover fully until I pull the flywheel off.
What I can tell is that the depression in the cover looks more like the double row depression.
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