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T77911S 07-17-2018 03:53 AM

very strange mower problem
 
I was working on a friends mower, 13.5 BS engine.
as soon as I cranked it I could tell it no compression.
turns out BOTH in and out valves were too tight and not closing.
there was also a bolt broken off on the valve cover.
now the mower is not that old/not much use and it is owned since new buy a mother and daughter. she swears no one else has worked on it.

the million dollar question, how the heck did BOTH valve get so tight they wont close.
I am not talking just a little too tight, I had to turn the adjuster a good bit.

I can get it to fire but the needle valve in the carb is bad and it is now flooding.

asphaltgambler 07-17-2018 04:01 AM

Only thing I can think of is if the adjusters were the cause and you had to back them off, the lock nuts weren't tight -OR- if there aren't lock nuts it would have to have interference threads to keep them from turn during operation, they weren't machined properly........

john70t 07-17-2018 05:26 AM

Could the cam bearings have worn on the block side from the chain being too tight? Hail Mary

VincentVega 07-17-2018 07:17 AM

Ever change the oil? Air filter plugged? No oil could wipe the cam.

Interesting issue

1990C4S 07-17-2018 07:42 AM

Crate engine.

Interesting problem. I'm guessing low oil. Could the valve cover have leaked as a result of the missing bolt?

LEAKYSEALS951 07-17-2018 07:43 AM

Find a Briggs and stratton/small engine forum. Some of the BS engines had cam failures which symptoms mimick valve adjustment issues.

This got me looking at the internet which mentioned specifically 31 series engines.
Guess what engine I have?
31 series.

THANKS A LOT!!!!!

T77911S 07-17-2018 08:39 AM

first thing I did was check oil, a woman owns it...it was clean.

mower is an 09 and has not run in 3 years. it still looks new.
SOMEONE had to have adjusted them. the broken screw on the valve cover??? not from the factory.....I hope.

cam wear would loosen them up. bent push rod would loosen them up.

rocker adjusters were tight

It runs for about 10 sec, bad float needle, and it sounds fine. no knocking, no rattles.

I just thought this was very odd and had to share.


it seems like B&S is wasting $$$. there are SO many variations of basically the same engine.
its not like they are making improvements. all the $$ just in different carbs, that cant be practical. how many do you need for a 13hp engine??

wdfifteen 07-17-2018 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T77911S (Post 10110249)
there was also a bolt broken off on the valve cover.
now the mower is not that old/not much use and it is owned since new buy a mother and daughter. she swears no one else has worked on it.

the million dollar question, how the heck did BOTH valve get so tight they wont close.
I am not talking just a little too tight, I had to turn the adjuster a good bit.

I think an equally puzzling question would be how a bolt spontaneously broke on the valve cover. My diagnosis is the mother may swear no one has "worked" on it, but she is mistaken.

fastfredracing 07-17-2018 01:01 PM

If the valve seats, or valve faces were experiencing some serious wear, the valves would retreat up into the head, making them tight .

LakeCleElum 07-17-2018 02:11 PM

Camshaft has compression release system built in. These often go bad....

wdfifteen 07-17-2018 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeCleElum (Post 10111156)
Camshaft has compression release system built in. These often go bad....

Compression release on both intake and exhaust?
I don't think that's the problem here. Somebody's been into this thing - somebody who didn't know what they were doing.

Don Ro 07-17-2018 06:29 PM

^^^
Is the valve cover crushed where the broken bolt is?

T77911S 07-18-2018 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 10111047)
If the valve seats, or valve faces were experiencing some serious wear, the valves would retreat up into the head, making them tight .

that's the only other explanation I could come up with . the mower looks like it has not been used much though. I would hate to think that is it with so low time on it.

I have heard about that compression release but don't know anything about it.

I don't know why she would not tell me someone else worked on it.
I found the porcelain broken on the spark plug. not sure if it would keep it from running but I suspect it did and someone tried to fix it and adjusted the valves.
seems pretty odd they would try to adjust valves and not check the plug though.

I suspect this will go down with the Kennedy assassination mystery

911 Rod 07-19-2018 09:38 AM

Did it run the last time she tried to start it 3 years ago?

T77911S 07-20-2018 03:36 AM

no, that's why I have it.
the story is a little sketchy. supposedly she went to start it and it would not start.


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