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unclebilly 10-08-2018 06:14 AM

Turbo and Direct Injection
 
My new WRX (which i absolutely love) has direct injection.

Apart from the well documented BMW and Audi (go figure :rolleyes:) direct injection issues with carboned up intake valves, what other cars do you have experience with that have had to have the intake valves cleaned regularly / periodically?

Most of my driving is at highway speed with the engine at 2700 RPM.

Will highway driving accelerate or alleviate this issue?

There are a few aftermarket 'fixes' available such as oil catch cans, water / meth injection, EGR delete but I don't want to interfere with my warranty to fix a problem that I may not encounter.

asphaltgambler 10-08-2018 08:24 AM

One item that reduces liquid oil in the intake tract / combustion chamber is an aftermarket oil liquid / vapor separator. It is installed in series with your vacuum side PCV. All modern engines have very low friction - tension piston rings, especially the oil rings which create the most drag.

The benefit is low rotational friction loss - improved power / mileage and performance. Down side is when you run them hard they will push liquid oil into the PCV system. Look into that for your specific application.

Also cheap / non branded / gasoline has less additives to prevent this. My experience - use a top tier brand like Shell gasoline. Take that part out of the equation.

unclebilly 10-08-2018 08:44 AM

Something I cant understand is how fuel brand could make a difference. With direct injection, the fuel is injected into the combustion chamber directly so it never sees the back of the intake valve like it would in a port injection engine.

I've seen comments like this elsewhere and don't understand the logic. I'm not saying its wrong.

Scott Douglas 10-08-2018 11:13 AM

I'm baffled by this too unclebilly (backside of valves never see the gas). I do know that Honda CR-V turbo's have been experiencing gas in the oil to a certain extent, with some reporting the oil is way over full when they check their level.

bleucamaro 10-08-2018 12:34 PM

There are a lot of good oil separators on the market, as Asphaltgambler said above, google to find a good one for your application. For me, its cheap insurance.

Also, I'd thought the Subaru DI engines also used secondary port injection in part to wash the valves.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/explained-why-some-engines-have-both-port-and-direct-injection
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/state-of-the-flat-4-us-my2017-1794660042

Maybe just the BRZ ??

DanielDudley 10-08-2018 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 10208908)
Something I cant understand is how fuel brand could make a difference. With direct injection, the fuel is injected into the combustion chamber directly so it never sees the back of the intake valve like it would in a port injection engine.

I've seen comments like this elsewhere and don't understand the logic. I'm not saying its wrong.

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This came up on another forum. Some companies seem to have the bugs worked out on their DI engines. Many do not.

908/930 10-08-2018 03:13 PM

I think it is oil vapour from the PCV or oil separator that enters into the intake system and then ends up on the valves. I just removed the intake manifold from the BMW e60 (not direct inj) and was surprised how much oil film was in there, it uses a oil separator and they often fail. The intake valves looked fairly clean probably from the fuel constantly washing them.

nota 10-08-2018 03:17 PM

Egr
exhaust gas recirculation

onewhippedpuppy 10-08-2018 06:20 PM

Just about all modern engines are now direct injected. Very few experience any sort of carbon buildup. This was super common on early DI engines but is mostly a non-issue by this point. If you have a nearly new WRX you should be fine.

OldSpool87 10-09-2018 05:11 AM

Your highway driving with a properly warmed up engine will be a plus in many ways including the health of your intake. I have a 2009 BMW E61 that has the twin turbo N54 engine in it. I use a catch can and periodically run an FI cleaner/additive like BK or Motul. It seems to help.

asphaltgambler 10-09-2018 12:43 PM

There are by- products of combustion from fuel that will make its way to your oil. Cheap branded gas will over time leave by- products in your oil - which will make its way into the PCV system.

Also most production turbo's will seep small amounts of pressurized engine oil into the intake tract.


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