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Embraer 11-14-2018 09:03 PM

The amber lights in the wells are running lights. When you turn, they light (with white light) where you are turning...like turning headlights.

I believe Porsche has the owners manual on their website

island911 11-14-2018 09:06 PM

Nice color combo!

the side marker lights, it's an aero thing that they don't bump out, yet can be seen from behind.

Manual; I think that I got my PDF manual from Porsche online. (also have paper versions)

@ Bryan O. - that's got to be tough to find the right GTS on the island.

island911 11-14-2018 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Embraer (Post 10252319)
The amber lights in the wells are running lights. When you turn, they light (with white light) where you are turning...like turning headlights.

I believe Porsche has the owners manual on their website

Looks like I was typing while you posted. (good advice, btw. :)
Actually the white cornering lights are in the headlight cluster. They are always on (when the headlights are on) but become very bright in the direction of the turned steering wheel.

WPOZZZ 11-14-2018 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10252320)
Nice color combo!

the side marker lights, it's an aero thing that they don't bump out, yet can be seen from behind.

Manual; I think that I got my PDF manual from Porsche online. (also have paper versions)

@ Bryan O. - that's got to be tough to find the right GTS on the island.

You're telling me! There was a white one, but had all white turbine style rims with a rear wing. :rolleyes: And a nice red on on Maui, but I don't like red. :(

island911 11-14-2018 09:51 PM

I would think you would try to find one on a West coast port city and ship it.

Theres this White on black 2008 GTS with a pano roof in the Seattle area. https://www.castleautosales.com/vehicle-details/2008-porsche-cayenne-gts-tiptronic--panoramic-sunroof--navigation-suv-0ccc219477c8cc44b07fb28de878eba1

Seems too much cash for the mileage, and (for these parts) it has no seat heat. Also no full leather. :-/ I really like the GTS wheels, but not blacked out.

WPOZZZ 11-14-2018 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Embraer (Post 10251904)
Here’s my 09 GTS when I bought it last year. Bought it with 75k miles. Blue with the tan alcantara interior. Great tow vehicle and winter cruiser. Exhaust has a great snarl in sport mode

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1542237365.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1542237429.jpg

Hi Mike, I have a question about the GTS. How low does the GTS get on its lowest setting (stepin height). I need to load my 88 year old mother in it. :D

Embraer 11-14-2018 11:45 PM

I’ll take a picture when it gets light out, today

Embraer 11-14-2018 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10252346)
I would think you would try to find one on a West coast port city and ship it.

Theres this White on black 2008 GTS with a pano roof in the Seattle area. https://www.castleautosales.com/vehicle-details/2008-porsche-cayenne-gts-tiptronic--panoramic-sunroof--navigation-suv-0ccc219477c8cc44b07fb28de878eba1

Seems too much cash for the mileage, and (for these parts) it has no seat heat. Also no full leather. :-/ I really like the GTS wheels, but not blacked out.

You won’t find a gts with full leather. The alcantara seat inserts were a gts-specific item

RKDinOKC 11-15-2018 05:03 AM

My turbo has clear side marker lights with an amber bulb.

http://www.zipbang.com/photos/jaramasm.jpg

Hardly ever give it enough throttle to spool up the boost just daily driving. But do like being able to jump out into that hole in traffic instead of waiting around for a bigger gap to merge into.

rfuerst911sc 11-15-2018 05:32 AM

There is a turbo listed locally with a bad transmission for 4K ....... . Would be an interesting project .

island911 11-15-2018 05:37 AM

That Blue with the tan is beautiful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Embraer (Post 10252374)
You won’t find a gts with full leather. The alcantara seat inserts were a gts-specific item

They do exist. --I'm talking about leather dash, door panels... And on the GTS's with full leather, the door panels also have alcantara inserts.

Here is an example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Porsche-Cayenne-GTS/123483723265?hash=item1cc0341601:g:a2cAAOSwfcNb6GP b:rk:2:pf:1&vxp=mtr&frcectupt=true

brainz01 11-15-2018 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RSBob (Post 10252242)
Butt shot. Dig the amber turn signals. But what is the deal with the amber lenses inside the front wheel wells? Do they flash with turn signals or just a bizarre running lights?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1542254917.jpg

Nice looking 957. Check Ebay for manuals. As best I can tell, it's a side racket for the guys that process used cars - - they take the manuals and resell them online...

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island911 11-15-2018 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WPOZZZ (Post 10252356)
Hi Mike, I have a question about the GTS. How low does the GTS get on its lowest setting (stepin height). I need to load my 88 year old mother in it. :D

Yeah, loading height goes plenty low. And it can be re-calibrated to go even lower.

Embraer 11-15-2018 06:56 AM

Ahhhhh, I didn't know there was less than "full leather.". Mine has the leather dash, door panels with alcantara inserts. I thought all gts' had this interior.




Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10252544)
That Blue with the tan is beautiful.



They do exist. --I'm talking about leather dash, door panels... And on the GTS's with full leather, the door panels also have alcantara inserts.

Here is an example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Porsche-Cayenne-GTS/123483723265?hash=item1cc0341601:g:a2cAAOSwfcNb6GP b:rk:2:pf:1&vxp=mtr&frcectupt=true


onewhippedpuppy 11-15-2018 06:57 AM

Nice, congrats!

You can't just swap out the HU on a modern Porsche, they interface with the rest of the car via a fiber optic interface called MOST. You can get interface kits but they are really pricey, like $600+ just for the interface box.

RSBob 11-15-2018 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10252673)
Nice, congrats!

You can't just swap out the HU on a modern Porsche, they interface with the rest of the car via a fiber optic interface called MOST. You can get interface kits but they are really pricey, like $600+ just for the interface box.

Just checked Crutchfield and they have several Bluetooth HD units and sell adapter kits for the fiber optic. The one I looked at supports steering wheel controls and hands free calling. The only thing itdoesnt do is play after the ignition is turned off.
https://www.crutchfield.com/g_462150/Bluetooth-Car-Stereos.html?tp=72310&pg=1

onewhippedpuppy 11-15-2018 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RSBob (Post 10252723)
Just checked Crutchfield and they have several Bluetooth HD units and sell adapter kits for the fiber optic. The one I looked at supports steering wheel controls and hands free calling. The only thing itdoesnt do is play after the ignition is turned off.
https://www.crutchfield.com/g_462150/Bluetooth-Car-Stereos.html?tp=72310&pg=1

There might be more options for the later models, the 986 and 996 with the early MOST were a real pain to interface with.

Tim Hancock 11-15-2018 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Embraer (Post 10251904)
Here’s my 09 GTS when I bought it last year. Bought it with 75k miles. Blue with the tan alcantara interior. Great tow vehicle and winter cruiser. Exhaust has a great snarl in sport mode

Looks like we bought from the same dealership in Indiana.... small world :)



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1542303389.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1542303389.jpg

911boost 11-15-2018 08:43 AM

+1 on the MOST headache, it why my 996TT still has the factory head unit.

Eric Coffey 11-15-2018 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RSBob (Post 10252294)
The SUV doesn’t have a manual. Ideas on free or low cost sources? I see some sites advertising the owners manual but am hesitant to click on the links for fear of viruses.

You can download one directly from a Porsche.com (ROW) portal:

User Manuals - Cayenne

Third one down from the top (3/07 revision). ;)

brainz01 11-15-2018 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10252673)
You can't just swap out the HU on a modern Porsche, they interface with the rest of the car via a fiber optic interface called MOST. You can get interface kits but they are really pricey, like $600+ just for the interface box.


Good news: There’s a knock-off of the Dension that gets good reviews on RL and adds USB and Bluetooth (for 996/997/Boxster/Cayman/Cayenne). It goes by the name LAPower or Mr12Volt and sells on Amazon or EBay for around $140. There are several long threads on RL detailing the unit and installation. This would be my recommendation. As it’s pretty plug and play and works well with the MOST ring and factory head unity. I use it in my 997.

Note however, the above only works for PCM 2.1, but I think that’s what you’ve got in the 2008 Cayenne anyway — I don’t think PCM 3.0 showed up until 2009 or 2010.

There are also long threads on RL about replacing the PCM with Android headunits (also usually from China). That’s what I put in my 2006 Cayenne Turbo. It’s not perfect, but it can be made to work well and looks modern/factory. I really like being able to tether to my phone and run Waze on the center console while also streaming internet radio. It’s not terribly expensive — the head unit is only ~$300 and the MOST adapter is another $100. Installation is not terrible, but not as easy as an oil change. The most common complaint about the Android units is that the MOST box is only 2 channel (so you lose fader), but I think the fixed level sounds fine. There is a Russian MOST box that is 4 channel, but there’s no reliable reports of how it does versus the ubiquitous 2 channel box that everyone uses.

If you want more info, I can send links.

RSBob 11-15-2018 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 10253094)
You can download one directly from a Porsche.com (ROW) portal:

User Manuals - Cayenne

Third one down from the top (3/07 revision). ;)

Eric, I owe you a beer! I was all over the Porsche site, and couldn’t find it. Their site is far from user friendly

Thanks a million. Rick

Eric Coffey 11-15-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RSBob (Post 10253138)
Eric, I owe you a beer! I was all over the Porsche site, and couldn’t find it. Their site is far from user friendly

Thanks a million. Rick

No prob.

Yeah, it would appear as though Porsche is transitioning to "i.manuals". The pdf versions are no longer listed on the US site.
There is an Apple/Android manuals app available, but I believe it only goes back to 2011-ish (dumb).

Nice Pepper BTW. ;)


Edit: Make it 2 beers and I'll post your factory build sheet. :cool:

island911 11-15-2018 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Embraer (Post 10252671)
Ahhhhh, I didn't know there was less than "full leather.". Mine has the leather dash, door panels with alcantara inserts. I thought all gts' had this interior.

nice. (and is kind of rare) Is it Havana and Sand Beige?

island911 11-15-2018 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brainz01 (Post 10253106)
Good news: There’s a knock-off of the Dension that gets good reviews on RL and adds USB and Bluetooth (for 996/997/Boxster/Cayman/Cayenne). It goes by the name LAPower or Mr12Volt and sells on Amazon or EBay for around $140. There are several long threads on RL detailing the unit and installation. This would be my recommendation. As it’s pretty plug and play and works well with the MOST ring and factory head unity. I use it in my 997.

Note however, the above only works for PCM 2.1, but I think that’s what you’ve got in the 2008 Cayenne anyway — I don’t think PCM 3.0 showed up until 2009 or 2010.

There are also long threads on RL about replacing the PCM with Android headunits (also usually from China). That’s what I put in my 2006 Cayenne Turbo. It’s not perfect, but it can be made to work well and looks modern/factory. I really like being able to tether to my phone and run Waze on the center console while also streaming internet radio. It’s not terribly expensive — the head unit is only ~$300 and the MOST adapter is another $100. Installation is not terrible, but not as easy as an oil change. The most common complaint about the Android units is that the MOST box is only 2 channel (so you lose fader), but I think the fixed level sounds fine. There is a Russian MOST box that is 4 channel, but there’s no reliable reports of how it does versus the ubiquitous 2 channel box that everyone uses.

If you want more info, I can send links.

Yes please. :)

I've just started looking into this.

brainz01 11-15-2018 07:29 PM

This thread will get you started on the LAPower option:

https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-955-957-2003-2010/1099887-lapower-help-please-before-purchase.html

This is the option I’d recommend if:
1) You have PCM 2.1 (easily identified by the number pad to the left of the PCM screen) — it doesn’t work with PCM 3.0
2) You want to add USB, BT phone, and BT streaming

Once you get this working, it’s pretty solid and everything looks stock.

Here’s an epic thread on the Android head unit alternative:

https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-955-957-2003-2010/928770-9-android-radio-install-review.html

This option gives you a customizable, tablet-style headunit including the ability to run Android apps. Like many lower priced tablets, you need to be realistic about how many apps you want to run else it will stop being “snappy”. But there is lot’s of ability to customize and there’s a big support forum for the underlying hardware/firmware (but be warned, the Android forums can get pretty technical).

One other note, if you don’t have the factory backup cam, you can add/enable it on the factory PCM 2.1 (but it requires installing an [inexpensive] camera and having the dealer code the PCM). But if you get the Android unit, you don’t have to see the dealer — the headunit will support the camera (including the factory version).


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island911 11-15-2018 07:45 PM

Perfect!

Thanks!

onewhippedpuppy 11-16-2018 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSiple (Post 10252835)
+1 on the MOST headache, it why my 996TT still has the factory head unit.

I’m glad to see some new MOST options. In my last 996 I keep the stock HU but added a Grom Audio interface for aux and Bluetooth. It worked well but I don’t see it listed on their site anymore.

Jerome74911S 11-17-2018 12:53 PM

You would look cool in that, Pete.

island911 11-17-2018 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainz01 (Post 10253106)
Good news: There’s a knock-off of the Dension that gets good reviews on RL and adds USB and Bluetooth (for 996/997/Boxster/Cayman/Cayenne). It goes by the name LAPower or Mr12Volt and sells on Amazon or EBay for around $140. ...

I ordered a couple of these. Looks promising. Thanks again.

911boost 11-17-2018 09:10 PM

Let me know how they work...

brainz01 11-18-2018 05:41 AM

Good luck on the install.

Here's a couple tips:

- It's probably easiest to install behind the PCM/glove box. You can also install it in the right rear CDC cubby just in front of the tail light, but then you have to run the microphone to the front of the car. I've done it both ways. I prefer it up front mostly because the cabling is much easier.

- Make sure you understand how the MOST ring works: it's a fiber optic network where every connected device has an IN and OUT fiber. Dont get that inadvertently mixed up. The device you bought comes with the fiber optic connectors you need pre configured, so that should not happen, but be aware. Essentially you are removing the CDC from the MOST network (there's a loop for that) and inserting a new BT device that acts like the CDC just behind the PCM (using the 3-headed connector thats provided).

- The PCM actuall comes out pretty easy. Cover the center console with a towel. Gently pry up the trim aroung the PCM and HVAC switches starting at the bottom on eash side - - pull straight out. There are 4 screws under that trim that hold the PCM in place - - undo and remove. All the wires are keyed and have release tabs, so it's plug and play. The new BT adapter has an aforementioned 3-headed fiber optic cable that inserts between the factory cable and the PCM (the 3rd leg goes to the BT module).

- For power, I think I used Add A Fuse on one of the fuse panels on either end of the dash and fished a wire. Note that you need unswitched (always hot) power for the device to work right.

- Where to run the microphone is a personal choice. Typical locations include the horizontal trim on the left of the center console, top of the steering wheel column, or across and up to the top of the driver's A pillar (it's held in place by a screw behind the plastic airbag placard).

- You can fish a usb cord extension (and/or AUX cable) into the glove box if needed to make access to media for the device easier

- If you have a factory phone module, you need to unplug it (both the MOST fiber cable and power cables). You would need to loop the MOST fiber to the factory phone module - - that requires an extra fiber loop that's not in the kit. They are cheap on Amazon. You may have to see the dealer to code out the phone module programming in the PCM, else you may get an error.

- If you have any issues send me a note and/or that RL thread above is pretty well trafficked.

Having done this a few times on my Cayenne and 997 (recently), I could probably now do an install in an hour or two. But honestly, it took me a lot longer working slow and figuring it all out along the way.

For those with a 997/987, the process is virtually identical, except the CDC is in the frunk and removing the PCM is a little different.

Best wishes.

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LeeH 11-20-2018 09:32 AM

So, I drove a 2008 Cayenne base model. It was in beautiful condition, but had 120K miles. Could have passed for 12K miles inside and out. However... I found it underwhelming. My Mazda3 would definitely beat it in a drag race. It had a variety of rattles. Radio/Nav controls weren't intuitive, plus no Bluetooth. Sort of bummed as I was thinking this was going to be my next vehicle.

masraum 11-20-2018 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LeeH (Post 10258141)
So, I drove a 2008 Cayenne base model. It was in beautiful condition, but had 120K miles. Could have passed for 12K miles inside and out. However... I found it underwhelming. My Mazda3 would definitely beat it in a drag race. It had a variety of rattles. Radio/Nav controls weren't intuitive, plus no Bluetooth. Sort of bummed as I was thinking this was going to be my next vehicle.

PCM, at least, the older PCM isn't impressive. You're much better off with a more modern head unit.

The stock 6 gets the job done, but it's still a big vehicle with a 6 cyl. It'll pull out and into traffic, but if you want fast, you need more motor.

Eric Coffey 11-20-2018 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeH (Post 10258141)
So, I drove a 2008 Cayenne base model. It was in beautiful condition, but had 120K miles. Could have passed for 12K miles inside and out. However... I found it underwhelming. My Mazda3 would definitely beat it in a drag race. It had a variety of rattles. Radio/Nav controls weren't intuitive, plus no Bluetooth. Sort of bummed as I was thinking this was going to be my next vehicle.

Can't really disagree there WRT the "underwhelming-ness" of the 6. You should drive a GTS and/or TT before writing them off completely though. If you stick with 2009+ models you get PCM 3, which still isn't that great, but it's leagues better the previous iteration, and you get bluetooth. Also, most of the bugs/issues had been sorted by the factory by then (coolant pipes, etc.). Even the `09 TT S rigs are starting to become relatively affordable now, and offer a pretty serious bang/buck ratio. When I get ready to dump the 5-er, I'll probably be on the hunt for one.

onewhippedpuppy 11-20-2018 11:04 AM

Agreed with Eric, drive an S at a minimum. I had a 2009 GTS and it was really impressive. Personally and despite the love for the V6 on this thread, I wouldn't even consider one without the V8. Also don't expect much out of the stock PCM, and Bluetooth was available but an option on older models.

biosurfer1 11-20-2018 03:42 PM

This is a terrible ad and could probably be a scam, but you never know.

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/porsche-cayenne-v8/6753906190.html

island911 11-20-2018 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by biosurfer1 (Post 10258513)
This is a terrible ad and could probably be a scam, but you never know.

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/porsche-cayenne-v8/6753906190.html

But sometimes you do know. And a GTS or turbo with full leather... but advertised just as a "Cayenne V8"... <$9k... yeah, scam.

Eric Coffey 11-20-2018 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10258559)
But sometimes you do know. And a GTS or turbo with full leather... but advertised just as a "Cayenne V8"... <$9k... yeah, scam.

+100

I've got a CL search alert set up for Peppers in a few different locales, and that $8500 deal-o-the-century (scam) has been pooping up everywhere for the last couple weeks or so.

RSBob 11-20-2018 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeH (Post 10258141)
So, I drove a 2008 Cayenne base model. It was in beautiful condition, but had 120K miles. Could have passed for 12K miles inside and out. However... I found it underwhelming. My Mazda3 would definitely beat it in a drag race. It had a variety of rattles. Radio/Nav controls weren't intuitive, plus no Bluetooth. Sort of bummed as I was thinking this was going to be my next vehicle.

My new/2008 S hauls @$$ and put it in Sport Mode and the 4.2 really takes off. Can’t even imagine what a TT would feel like. The 6 is not what you want for mo powa.

Driving impressions: compared to my usual cars, SC, 914, Jetta, this thing weighs ton or two and a half. It is a real momentum mobile going downhill. It corners relatively well considering how high the center of gravity is. The ride is firm but not uncomfortably so. Lots of creature comforts from Bose to heated steering wheel and proximity sensors. At this point, my $15K for a 65K Miles SUV with immaculate interior and paint the is an 8.5 was a good deal.


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