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madcorgi 11-29-2018 11:37 PM

JAL pilot at 10x alcohol limit
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/01/uk/japanese-pilot-heathrow-drunk-scli-intl/index.html

Sheesh. The guy was about to fly a 777 out of Heathrow. Had 189 mg alcohol per 100 ml of blood, which is a measure I'm not familiar with. But he said he drank two bottles of wine and a pitcher of beer the night before. Guess that will give you quite a buzz and quite a hangover.

Arizona_928 11-29-2018 11:40 PM

I think that's a .189 bac.


Two bottles and a pitcher. That's a lot of volume.

crb07 11-30-2018 12:58 AM

Sum Ting Wong? Or was it that other guy?

sc_rufctr 11-30-2018 01:24 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1543569892.jpg

KFC911 11-30-2018 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 10267895)

Somebody please photoshop a 12-pack in his hand ;)....

ckelly78z 11-30-2018 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid (Post 10267886)
I think that's a .189 bac.


Two bottles and a pitcher. That's a lot of volume.

Obviously not the first time doing this !

onewhippedpuppy 11-30-2018 04:37 AM

Dunno about the pilots, but JAL has amazing service in business class.

Gogar 11-30-2018 09:29 AM

yes .189%

speeder 11-30-2018 09:54 AM

He basically did not have enough blood in his alcohol stream.

1990C4S 11-30-2018 09:56 AM

Normal vehicle impaired limit would be 0.08 or 0.06 I think.

I think he was three times the limit?

Ten times the legal limit would kill most people I think. Either that night or the next morning.

dad911 11-30-2018 09:59 AM

10 times over limit, he get's a 10 month vacation behind bars: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/11/30/japan-pilot-prison-vpx.cnn

Katsutoshi Jitsukawa, 42, had almost 10 times more than the legal permitted amount of alcohol in his bloodstream when he was arrested, the Metropolitan Police said.

Jeff Higgins 11-30-2018 11:42 AM

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flipper35 11-30-2018 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 10268266)
Normal vehicle impaired limit would be 0.08 or 0.06 I think.

I think he was three times the limit?

Ten times the legal limit would kill most people I think. Either that night or the next morning.

The rules for flying are completely different.

Porsche-O-Phile 11-30-2018 12:17 PM

8 hours “bottle to throttle” (anything within 8 hours means you’re automatically in violation), or 0.04 BAC even if it’s from drinking prior to that.

That’s USA. Not sure about Great Britain or japan but I’m going to guess they’re similarly restrictive if not moreso.

stevej37 11-30-2018 12:22 PM

Looks like he is a professional/(drinker)

Bob Kontak 11-30-2018 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 10268433)
8 hours “bottle to throttle” (anything within 8 hours means you’re automatically in violation), or 0.04 BAC even if it’s from drinking prior to that.

I got stories. Alaska Airline pilots drunk on their ass trying to get into a hot co-workers pants at 1:00 am at the Captain Cook hotel in Anchorage. She obliged with one of them.

Fly out same morning at 7:00am on a heavy.

JAL dude just got caught.

speeder 11-30-2018 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 10267895)

That was my friend's film, he wrote and directed it. About four of our other friends are in it, including my buddy Conor who isn't even an actor. :D

Porsche-O-Phile 11-30-2018 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 10268584)
I got stories. Alaska Airline pilots drunk on their ass trying to get into a hot co-workers pants at 1:00 am at the Captain Cook hotel in Anchorage. She obliged with one of them.

Fly out same morning at 7:00am on a heavy.

JAL dude just got caught.

Oh for sure I know stuff happens (used to fly for a living myself). There’s what the regs day and what some people actually do.

Yea - dumb and he got busted. Job opening. Next in line, you’re up!

daepp 11-30-2018 05:47 PM

Truly shocking - although I guess it shouldn't be...

sc_rufctr 11-30-2018 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10268739)
That was my friend's film, he wrote and directed it. About four of our other friends are in it, including my buddy Conor who isn't even an actor. :D

Great movie!

onewhippedpuppy 12-01-2018 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10268263)
He basically did not have enough blood in his alcohol stream.

Hahahaha, I’m going to steal that.

Jims5543 12-01-2018 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 10268769)
Oh for sure I know stuff happens (used to fly for a living myself). There’s what the regs day and what some people actually do.

Yea - dumb and he got busted. Job opening. Next in line, you’re up!

They are not filling seats very easy. My buddy is a polit and just kicked a kid back into simulators after he slammed the jet into the runway so hard they bounced 3x. He said he was sick to his stomach over how violent the landing was. He got on the PA and apologized.

He is does some sort of check out / instruction and said this cat was a mess when it came time to land. I am not a pilot but the way he explained it to me was that a simulator really cannot fix this, it is something you need to understand and be able to do in the real world. If that makes sense.

Concerning bottle to throttle, from what I have gathered these pilots blow off a LOT of steam when laid over. They push that 8 hour limit to the minute.

I thought that movie was anomaly, turns out it is not.

Jims5543 12-01-2018 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10268263)
He basically did not have enough blood in his alcohol stream.

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10269196)
Hahahaha, I’m going to steal that.

+1 that is gold.

porsche4life 12-01-2018 11:13 AM

Idiot got what he had coming.


I know my pilot neighbor is pretty hard core about 12hr bottle to throttle, but if he’s not flying watch out. Dude will hurt you!

450knotOffice 12-01-2018 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jims5543 (Post 10269270)
They are not filling seats very easy. My buddy is a polit and just kicked a kid back into simulators after he slammed the jet into the runway so hard they bounced 3x. He said he was sick to his stomach over how violent the landing was. He got on the PA and apologized.

He is does some sort of check out / instruction and said this cat was a mess when it came time to land. I am not a pilot but the way he explained it to me was that a simulator really cannot fix this, it is something you need to understand and be able to do in the real world. If that makes sense.

It sounds to me like your friend was giving Initial Operating Experience (IOE) to a pilot new in the airplane and/or the airline. Landings in Transport Category jets can certainly be simulated well in a modern simulator.

Concerning bottle to throttle, from what I have gathered these pilots blow off a LOT of steam when laid over. They push that 8 hour limit to the minute.

Who are you referring to? Pilots from essentially ALL airlines? Or JAL pilots? I can tell you from 27+ years as an airline pilot that the vast majority certainly do NOT blow off steam on a layover and/or ever push that 8 hour bottle to throttle limit. Most are simply too aware that their careers are at stake, at the very least. I would say, however, it's probably true that many will have a beer or two, or a glass or two of wine, but that's generally it.

I thought that movie was anomaly, turns out it is not.

Your initial thought WAS correct. That movie was a total anomaly. Do not believe otherwise.

As an additional note, I believe that the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) BAC limit is .02, so this guy would've been at nearly 10 times the limit for pilots.

Jeff Hail 12-01-2018 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10267904)
Somebody please photoshop a 12-pack in his hand ;)....





http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1543692112.jpg

onewhippedpuppy 12-01-2018 01:04 PM

Because of this issue, JAL has now instituted a 24 hour bottle to throttle policy, which is the strictest in the industry.

porsche4life 12-01-2018 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 10269385)
Because of this issue, JAL has now instituted a 24 hour bottle to throttle policy, which is the strictest in the industry.

To me that says this is not an isolated incident.....

Bob Kontak 12-01-2018 04:46 PM

FWIW I went to the Targa Newfoundland Rally this September as a support crew member. Drivers blew every morning. Word was five beers by 8:00PM and you would blow zero. No one was sidelined and there was drinking a-plenty with dinner.

The JAL pilot was 0.18? I think two bottles of wine and a pitcher of beer is a lie.

I guess I would lie too?

If he is telling the truth perhaps a metabolism issue? I know peeps that stink the next day after ten 4% 12 oz beers.

Just talking.

onewhippedpuppy 12-01-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 10269549)
To me that says this is not an isolated incident.....

Nope, there have been several incidents recently with Japanese flight crew and pilots showing up drunk.

Jims5543 12-01-2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 10269316)
As an additional note, I believe that the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) BAC limit is .02, so this guy would've been at nearly 10 times the limit for pilots.

Not gonna argue with you as you appear to be a pilot. My friend is in his 30's. We also discussed he is a fetus among dinosaurs. I recently was on a 2 hour layover in ATL and noticed evey pilot in the airport was over 60 years old.

Maybe the young bucks are kicking it up a little while the old guys are sleeping? My bud had a pretty wild tear through stewardess' for a few years before he got engaged.

My bud says sim is good but real world is better here is a convo with the sim instructor.

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Rick Lee 12-01-2018 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10268263)
He basically did not have enough blood in his alcohol stream.

David Lee Roth - "I used to have a drug problem. Now I make enough money."

onewhippedpuppy 12-02-2018 08:47 AM

There’s a huge looming pilot shortage because of impending retirement. The military is having a hard time keeping their pilots because after their first tour, they can leave for big money at the airlines. It’s hitting the international carriers worse but they are starting to throw big money at American pilots to lure them overseas. Most of the major airlines are now providing scholarship style programs to new pilots, where they pay for flight school ($100k+ investment) in exchange for a commitment of X years. Meanwhile air travel increases every year.


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