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Is love finite?

I'm working on a children's book, grandmother passes away, she's buried in the ground, granddaughter wants to know where her love goes.

I've always thought that like the laws of conservation of mass and conservation of energy, there is also conservation of the soul and its primary element, love. So it's easy, and a little simplistic, to theorize that as people pass and babies are born, love comes and goes.

But then I look at the state of the world today and in some ways think there's been a slow and steady decline and a bit more pernicious than the immediacy of war, namely smart phones taking the place of actual interaction.

So, when someone passes away, where does their love for you and everyone around them, go?

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Old 12-09-2018, 04:09 PM
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With whoever you gave it to of course. One way single use transaction. Once love is given, it can't be taken back. Love can be exchanged or returned, but it isn't the same love you gave them. And love that is refused is gone.
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There are religious answers to this, of course. Otherwise, their love lives in our hearts. I still feel the love from and for my father. Your book should focus on the granddaughter preserving the love in her heart for the rest of her life. Pretty basic, but it's a good and ancient message always worth re-visiting.
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Love is in your mind and your heart. When you pass, it passes. However, if the people that you loved is still alive, it lives within them. I loved my grandparents and my father, but they have passed. I had a brother that was born before me, and he passed before I was born. I did not meet him, or had the ability to love him. He is in my mother, brother and sister's hearts. For me, I know of his existence and that is about it.
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Shaun, the Japanese have something similar in their culture.

I would disagree however with your assessment that "things are worse now", from an objective look there has never been a point of greater peace between mankind.

People who would have been considered normal, or even great, are now considered monsters.

All that has changed is you have become more aware of how much evil is in the world.

However, back to your story idea, there is a flaw - an ever increasing population.

Those that are only children often seem the most needy of love, yet they should have maximum concentration.

Instead I would counter that love is not finite, it can be nurtured, it can grow; but I would also agree, new seeds can be planted by those that have lived before.
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Love never dies, it lives on in our memories of loved ones lost. They never die, they live on in our memories.
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In simple terms...

The effect you have on others is what lives on after you pass. Good or bad.
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^^^agreed. Example. My beloved dog passed two days ago. I loved him while he lived and continue to love him.

I would argue the conservation of mass absolutely does not apply to Love. More loveable people / dogs / etc = more love.

But then again I am a big softie.
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In simple terms...

The effect you have on others is what lives on after you pass. Good or bad.
^^^^^^ This.
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Why the love you have is sucked right out of you and into your Smart phone. Leaving you a hollow shell of nothingness. You have traded the love of God for a smart phone..
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In simple terms...

The effect you have on others is what lives on after you pass. Good or bad.
You've just described "Heaven" and "Hell" in 13 words. The owners of the world's religions can now please go do something else so we can get on with our lives.
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"Get out my life woman...I don't love you no more..." - JGB

People fall "in" love....yep.

Well...it's a two-way street ..but some love lasts forever...like a dawg's.

Sorry 'bout your puppy LWJ....that always hurts....
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And he so loved the world that he sacrificed his only son.

And his sons dieing words were they know not what they do.

2000 years later they still don't.
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Not according to Celine Dion.

WAIT! I was wrong. According to Celine it goes when you go
"Love can touch us one time
And last for a lifetime
And never let go till we're gone"

Or does she?
"You're here, there's nothing I fear
And I know that my heart will go on
We'll stay forever this way
You are safe in my heart and
My heart will go on and on"
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Not according to Celine Dion.
I'd be embarassed to know wtf yer referring too
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Love’s only limits are those we place upon it. It does not follow the laws of physics - it can be created out of nothing and can extend to many people and expand to fill any volume we allow it to. It has many forms (not just eros, agape, philia and storge). It can be given even to those who reject it or do not appreciate it, if we choose. I believe it is acts in one direction - from the heart of one to another;how the receiver responds is separate but of course can be influenced by it. Nobody has a monopoly on it - it exists independently of culture, language, gender, race or religion. NO religion owns it or fully understands it (even though most claim to).

Most impotently - loving others (and ideally being loved back) is the single most important thing in life. It is not money, fame, power or “checking all the boxes”, it’s simply that. The ability to love, care, be compassionate and caring and feel a sense of connection to our fellow travelers on this rock as it careens through time and space... at the end of the day, nothing else matters but how we’ve treated our fellows, the memories and examples of it that we leave behind. The rest is dust in the wind.
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Well Shaun it would depend on what age group of children you are targeting.

My belief is that love does continue only interrupted by the mortal passing of the body in this world. Further the greatest love is God's love of all mankind which is demonstrated maternally through our mothers and grandmothers here.

So you could simplify or expand on that idea; again depending on what age the book is marketed to.
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I haven't thought about what age, just wanted to write it and have a publisher tell me what age range they think it will apply. One of the main goals is to make the story thought-provoking, not just explanatory.
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Well, if you wake up in the morning she looks worse then your remaining alcohol blood level can correct for. Then I would say the love is defo gone !.

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