Martin Brodeur??

Yeah, no relation to the topic. I posted Marty for flatbutt who has the unfortunate position of being a Devils fan. This was his first commercial
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Damn, I am doomed. Perhaps I need estrogen therapy to become more fem and less toxic to our culture.

I have to admit, I don't even understand the term, "toxic masculinity" at all. Maybe that alone makes me a male chauvinist pig.

If I see a problem that I can fix, I fix it. If is is my problem and I can't fix it, I take care of getting it fixed. If it is none of my business and fits the old adage, "not my pig, not my farm," I just leave it be and move on. If it is a situation where a stranger or friend needs help, I help, without being asked. I do the right thing, in my mind 100% of the time, and I don't care who is watching or judging. I try 100% of the time to do the right thing, but I am not going to force my opinion on others.

Shame on you!

Why isn't the discussion in the public sphere academically grounded?

Here is my disappointment with society:

Why is the discussion not about toxic people and what to recognize and avoid, rather than turning it in to an us against them battle of the sexes?

Because it is a manufactured tool to advance a biased political agenda and benefit specific groups of people while hurting others. And nothing more.

Apparently some people are talking about it

Goodmentproject.com
"because of their different core qualities, it follows that when the masculine and feminine go out of balance (when they become toxic) they do so in different ways:

Unbalanced masculine energy (toxic masculinity) because of its natural outward trajectory, moves in an outward fashion. Violence, rage, hated, name-calling, sarcasm, bullying, and all kinds of abuse—these are symptoms of the toxic masculine.

If toxic masculinity remains unchecked, it takes out this imbalance on the world and other people. At some point, like a boomerang, it moves back inward to hurt himself, too. This is a well-discussed topic on this website.

Unbalanced feminine energy (toxic femininity) because of its inward focus, moves in an inward fashion. Guilt, depression, anxiety, lack of self-worth, bitterness, spite, jealousy, passive-aggressiveness, or clingy behavior—these are the symptoms of the toxic feminine. (From an archetypal perspective, note that toxic femininity can exist in a woman or a man.)

Toxic femininity is a self-destructive, inwardly-directed energy that sometimes, but not always, projects this inner pain upon others. Toxic femininity is a cry for help from someone who struggles with core survival issues such as self-worth, self-acceptance, and self-love.

If toxic femininity remains unchecked, it might take on symptoms of depression or anxiety. It might result in eating disorders or self-harming acts such as cutting or hair pulling.


It might stay on this inner negative spiral, or it might move outward, taking out this imbalance on other women. For instance, women who use derogatory terms upon each other, heap judgment on each other, or in any other way invalidate another woman’s path, are projecting their inner unworthiness.

She might also express her imbalance toward a partner through petty criticism, jealousy, and (unwarranted) suspicion. This is also a projection of her own lack of self-worth.

Yes, a man can be withdrawn and spiteful. And yes, a woman can be violent and wrathful. But in these cases, the man is presenting toxic femininity, and the woman is expressing toxic masculinity—archetypally speaking. Both people are imbalanced, and both need healing.

The bottom line is this: While toxic masculinity can lead to physical violence, rape, and abuse, toxic femininity often translates into mental health disorders, which is also a truly relevant issue of our time."

I watched the Gillette commercial and I didn't think it was man bashing. I didn't have a problem with how it was done.

That entire thing above pure fiction in my world. My parents were married for over 50 years until death do they part. I never ever not even once saw a real screaming match and anger like in the movies and TV. Never. I have never been in a screaming match with my wife of 27 years. My brother has been married for 40 years. Same story.

That entire thing above is nothing I have ever seen in person, and is just made up plot.

Talk to the girl I personally know who ended up in a hospital many times at the hands of her husband
or
a few guys I know who suffered breakdowns at the hands of sociopathic wives

Your experience is the experience we should all be lucky enough to have

I'm with Glen on this one, don't know anyone who's life sux as you describe. Saw it on TV though.
Maybe you need to re-evaluate who you associate with?

Sammy whats with the personal attacks?

If there is a common denominator that I have experienced it is life in big cities, but thats only anecdotal.

BTW, in case my position is too subtle, I do not support this toxic masculinity bull****.
I think both sexes can behave well or behave badly, and man bashing does seem in fashion for some reason.

Every sitcom paints man as the idiot, even kids books seem to do that.

Not over in PARF they don't.

Not here either :)

I’ll take the over

Well, hey, you know, I'm OK because other people are worse. Points finger.

I'm sure there are all kinds of toxic people in the world. It is my job to make sure I am not one of them. I know guys who would like to come off as poor oppressed white dudes. Most of them are angry, self centered, and defensive, yet have lived pretty good lives. Almost blessed by circumstances. News flash. We all had to work to get somewhere in life. It is also possible to be grateful and try to make the world a little better place.

Has the world really treated any of us so badly, or judged us so harshly? How is it that we are so easily whipped up into a frenzy of perceived injustices?

I'm not sure how the poor behavior of others justifies any other kind of poor behavior, or how the poor behavior of some people in a group translates to the whole group. I do know that it is important to many people to group people into broad categories, so that we can judge and condemn.

Don't be the stereotype. Don't stereotype others. Stop playing the victim card. None of us here are oppressed.

I have had the screaming in an Italian household.

Unpleasant.

The kind where words are arrows and knives.

Have also been in others where "yelling" at each other is normal, but there wasn't animosity, just really loud disagreement. (Jewish married to a Sicilian)

The latter is not that bad, more of a "culture" thing.

The former is something else, do not want to be around.