Good or bad? What do you think?
 

Is this a law that will help people with gender dysphoria? Or might there be some unintended consequences lurking?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-jersey-adds-gender-neutral-option-to-birth-certificates/ar-BBSUMaF?ocid=spartanntp

It's farkin' silly.

When the baby is born, it's one or the other except for those few cases where it's both. The baby has no idea. The Birth cert is not about what the baby or the parents think it is or want it to be.

I’m trying to think of the unintended consequences. I guess some sicko could change his identity so he can go into women’s restrooms and look at ladies feet under the stalls.

Bad idea. Better idea: check the baby's DNA. I bet it's either one or the other...not neutral. We're spinning out of control straight down the toilet.

I vote

Don't care

There is already enough confusion for young people, throwing something extra like this on top just leads to suicide.

Determine gender isn’t as easy as it sounds. Ask the Olympic Committee.


https://byrslf.co/the-xy-games-what-gender-testing-reveals-about-the-olympics-and-ouselves-c45b4154c6ab

Why even bother, then? If it's fluid like a hairstyle, why bother even having boxes to check? And do the parents get to decide? Or the baby? Seems unfair to allow the parents decide when it's the baby who has to live with it.

This gives already delusional and dysfunctional parents a good headstart to producing dysfunctional children...all in the name of ultra-liberal political correctness.

Im thinking that way too. I’ve never paid attention to what my birth certificate says about gender. I know what my gender is, I don’t need or want a piece of paper to tell me.

It seems to me like accurate record keeping on a birth certificate would resolve all of the issues raised in your article.

However inaccurate or fraudulent record keeping creates the problems in the article.

What would you include on the birth certificate, presence of complete Y chromosome, presence of Y chromosomal material, level of glandular response to Y chromosomal material?

^^^^ this.
We need to stop pretending mental illness is anything other than what it really is.

A person isn’t mentally ill if they are born with a partial Y chromosome. You need to stop pretending that anyone who isn’t solidly in one binary corner or the other is mentally ill.

This is like saying Chevy could start declaring on the title that the car they build is Porsche. You would say that is fraud. Look at the parts on it. They are all GM parts (yeah, I know, some may be built for other cars as well).
Well, lets look at the parts on the baby and say it is X. Now if the family and or the person wants to identify with a park bench or Fruit Loop then that is their perogative but they still came out with certain parts and DNA. This ain't "rocket surgery".
I feel bad for kids today. You want to date someone but have no idea what they really are until it is too late (if you chose to be pure until the wedding).

The actual number of babies born without a clear sexual dimorphism (sexual ambiguity) is EXTREMELY rare. If you lump all intersex categories at birth, it's still less that .05% (less than 1 in 2000), and many of those are undetectable without DNA or cytogenetic chromosomal testing.

This recent "Let the child pick their own sex" craze is pure nuts (even nuttier when a parent gets to pick the sex of a child born with normal sexual equipment). If a baby comes out and you can't tell what sex it is, well then, that's a whole different story. I still don't think the numbers justify a non-designation category on a birth certificate.

So they don’t count?

If someone is truly on board with this, why are they fighting for an option for the PARENTs to chose gender neutral, rather than insisting that every birth certificate remain gender neutral until the individual in question has developed enough to inform the world what gender they are?

BTW...I had the pleasure of meeting a drag queen back in the 90s. Anatomically he was 100% male, but let me tell you...He was definitely bats#it crazy. :eek:

As the athletic director for my kid's school, I encountered this issue about 6 years ago. Long story short, I started from the standpoint of simplicity. If it has a penis, it's a boy, end of story. But I ended up looking into this issue far more than I ever thought I would and came to the conclusion that gender is not so simple and is actually very complicated.

If you care to open your mind a little, start by reading about the Guevedoces of the Dominican Republic. A number of males are regularly born with outward appearing female genitalia and develop a penis at about 12 years old.

I have no answer for this issue, but for myself, I am convinced that for certain people gender dysphoria is real and physiological - meaning it's not just in their head. I don't know if that is true in all cases and I would guess that it is a very rare condition. But I'm now not so naïve as to dismiss it out of hand because of some simplistic knee jerk reaction to someone's uncomfortable condition.

I’m on board with it. I like the idea of the state offering MORE options rather than fewer. 3 is better than 2, and 2 is better than 1.

Yes, of course they do. I said "If a baby comes out and you can't tell what sex it is, well then, that's a whole different story". That's a difficult situation for the parents and the child.

Unfortunately, I don't believe this recent attention to the issue is coming from parents of those, or those with a real intersex designation. Most is coming from vocal and passionate young people who for one reason or another identify with the opposite sex to what they were born too. Are they mentally ill...probably not. Are they homosexual...most, but not all (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Pansexuality seems to be the youth movement du jour. IMHO....They should leave the newborns out of it.

This is my vote - I can't begin to imagine the unintended consequences and I'm sure there are many.

Patrick, I sometimes forget that you are ostensibly an adult person.

Will schools now be required to add a third bathroom for the "undecided" students who don't have their driver's license yet ?

Absolutely ridiculous !

This law is not for the 1 in a million babies born with a physical issue. This is a socio-political agenda to say that you can decide what you want to be. Nonsense. Again, act however you want but you is what you is.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1548880952.jpg

so then there should be hundreds, that would obviously be better. I cannot tell if you are virtue signaling or truly this misguided.

How will the parents know they have a gender unassigned baby, or a boy, or a girl? If you put faith in all this gender fluid speak, then the only one that can properly make the call is the child, after society has had its influence in the child's development.(gender is a societal construct, so we are told over and over and over) So the only sensible idea is to assign gender to none, and then let the kid chose when they are ready. In the process messing up all sorts of kids who are not gender fluid, and would be better served to be identified in alliance with their physical sex from birth.

So, lets make it easy for parents to totally mentally screw up their kids before they even have a start in life, in order to maybe possibly happen to catch some of the 0.05 percent of births where gender fluidity is relevant at all. In reality, it is total crap shoot if any of the previously "misgendered" babies will even have parents that elect to use the gender neutral BC.

Why change the system to accommodate the outlier? This makes no sense, unless you are really doing it to just feel good about how progressive and open minded you are.

And if you are going to change the system, make it fair and equitable, and stop assigning gender on birth certificates at all. Or, read the BC, and see that IT DOES NOT ASSIGN GENDER AT ALL, IT INCLUDES THE UNDENIABLE PHYSICAL SEX OF THE BABY! Which is almost never in question, as it is binary in the vaaaast majority of cases.

The same people that tell you gender and sex are different, drop that assumption when it suits their agenda.

Why stop with gender? What if I wanted to be black or a Native American Indian?
I wish I could have picked my race when I went to college. I would have gotten into better schools with worse grades and gotten a boatload of free money instead of loans that I had to pay back.

If physical facts don't determine what gender you are then why should physical facts determine what race you "identify with"?

ah oh. Are you and Tabs attending the same white sheet meetings?

Cute jab but please answer the question:
If physical facts don't determine what gender you are then why should physical facts determine what race you "identify with"?
Serious question.

Seems like Rachel Dolezal wasn't so bat schit crazy, after all.

Green font implied.

Still waiting on Craig to give an intelligent response.

I actually don't disagree with you. It's a valid comparison. Read my contributions to this thread. I think this no gender identification is a bunch of nonsense.

Unfortunately, the college admissions advantage for minorities (sans Asians) is real too...But I'd be afraid to bring that up. My wife is non-white and won the Presidential Scholarship to attend Harvard. lol

Fair enough. Sorry for the attack. You can join Tabs and me at the next meeting. LOL Oh, wait, you have a mixed race marriage?

How do you I'm not already going? You know...The hoods!

BTW...It's NOT a mixed race marriage. She identifies at white!