Good or bad? What do you think?

[flatbutt]

Is this a law that will help people with gender dysphoria? Or might there be some unintended consequences lurking?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-jersey-adds-gender-neutral-option-to-birth-certificates/ar-BBSUMaF?ocid=spartanntp

[masraum]

It's farkin' silly.

When the baby is born, it's one or the other except for those few cases where it's both. The baby has no idea. The Birth cert is not about what the baby or the parents think it is or want it to be.

[wdfifteen]

I’m trying to think of the unintended consequences. I guess some sicko could change his identity so he can go into women’s restrooms and look at ladies feet under the stalls.

[porsche tech]

Bad idea. Better idea: check the baby's DNA. I bet it's either one or the other...not neutral. We're spinning out of control straight down the toilet.

[Sooner or later]

I vote

Don't care

[Tervuren]

There is already enough confusion for young people, throwing something extra like this on top just leads to suicide.

[wdfifteen]

Determine gender isn’t as easy as it sounds. Ask the Olympic Committee.


https://byrslf.co/the-xy-games-what-gender-testing-reveals-about-the-olympics-and-ouselves-c45b4154c6ab

[Noah930]

Why even bother, then? If it's fluid like a hairstyle, why bother even having boxes to check? And do the parents get to decide? Or the baby? Seems unfair to allow the parents decide when it's the baby who has to live with it.

[Craig T]

This gives already delusional and dysfunctional parents a good headstart to producing dysfunctional children...all in the name of ultra-liberal political correctness.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Noah930

Seems unfair to allow the parents decide when it's the baby who has to live with it.

Im thinking that way too. I’ve never paid attention to what my birth certificate says about gender. I know what my gender is, I don’t need or want a piece of paper to tell me.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Determine gender isn’t as easy as it sounds. Ask the Olympic Committee.


https://byrslf.co/the-xy-games-what-gender-testing-reveals-about-the-olympics-and-ouselves-c45b4154c6ab

It seems to me like accurate record keeping on a birth certificate would resolve all of the issues raised in your article.

However inaccurate or fraudulent record keeping creates the problems in the article.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

It seems to me like accurate record keeping on a birth certificate would resolve all of the issues raised in your article.

What would you include on the birth certificate, presence of complete Y chromosome, presence of Y chromosomal material, level of glandular response to Y chromosomal material?

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Craig T

This gives already delusional and dysfunctional parents a good headstart to producing dysfunctional children...all in the name of ultra-liberal political correctness.

^^^^ this.
We need to stop pretending mental illness is anything other than what it really is.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

We need to stop pretending mental illness is anything other than what it really is.

A person isn’t mentally ill if they are born with a partial Y chromosome. You need to stop pretending that anyone who isn’t solidly in one binary corner or the other is mentally ill.

[Por_sha911]

This is like saying Chevy could start declaring on the title that the car they build is Porsche. You would say that is fraud. Look at the parts on it. They are all GM parts (yeah, I know, some may be built for other cars as well).
Well, lets look at the parts on the baby and say it is X. Now if the family and or the person wants to identify with a park bench or Fruit Loop then that is their perogative but they still came out with certain parts and DNA. This ain't "rocket surgery".
I feel bad for kids today. You want to date someone but have no idea what they really are until it is too late (if you chose to be pure until the wedding).

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

A person isn’t mentally ill if they are born with a partial Y chromosome. You need to stop pretending that anyone who isn’t solidly in one binary corner or the other is mentally ill.

The actual number of babies born without a clear sexual dimorphism (sexual ambiguity) is EXTREMELY rare. If you lump all intersex categories at birth, it's still less that .05% (less than 1 in 2000), and many of those are undetectable without DNA or cytogenetic chromosomal testing.

This recent "Let the child pick their own sex" craze is pure nuts (even nuttier when a parent gets to pick the sex of a child born with normal sexual equipment). If a baby comes out and you can't tell what sex it is, well then, that's a whole different story. I still don't think the numbers justify a non-designation category on a birth certificate.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Craig T

The actual number of babies born without a clear sexual dimorphism (sexual ambiguity) is EXTREMELY rare. If you lump all intersex categories at birth, it's still less that .05% (less than 1 in 2000), and many of those are undetectable without DNA or cytogenetic chromosomal testing.

So they don’t count?

[gordner]

If someone is truly on board with this, why are they fighting for an option for the PARENTs to chose gender neutral, rather than insisting that every birth certificate remain gender neutral until the individual in question has developed enough to inform the world what gender they are?

[Craig T]

BTW...I had the pleasure of meeting a drag queen back in the 90s. Anatomically he was 100% male, but let me tell you...He was definitely bats#it crazy.

[MikeSid]

As the athletic director for my kid's school, I encountered this issue about 6 years ago. Long story short, I started from the standpoint of simplicity. If it has a penis, it's a boy, end of story. But I ended up looking into this issue far more than I ever thought I would and came to the conclusion that gender is not so simple and is actually very complicated.

If you care to open your mind a little, start by reading about the Guevedoces of the Dominican Republic. A number of males are regularly born with outward appearing female genitalia and develop a penis at about 12 years old.

I have no answer for this issue, but for myself, I am convinced that for certain people gender dysphoria is real and physiological - meaning it's not just in their head. I don't know if that is true in all cases and I would guess that it is a very rare condition. But I'm now not so naïve as to dismiss it out of hand because of some simplistic knee jerk reaction to someone's uncomfortable condition.