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A German American with no German accent was impossible to pick from a crowd by just looks. Picking an "oriental" out of a group of Caucasians is pretty simple. Rounding up all German descendants would be an impossible task but pretty easy for Japanese. |
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What a piece of history that needs to be told when talking about the interment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Does it make it right? No. does it justify it? not really. does it ad to the reason why? Yes. So this story should be told when talking about the interment of Japanese during WWII, if we want a more complete understanding of history. |
Different time, different viewpoints. Any culture that would send pilots out on kamikaze missions or would disembowel themselves if they dishonored themselves is totally foreign to us...as those who would execute prisoners, behead them or use them for "experiments". Similarly, it was pretty easy to fear the Japanese after a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. We did some brutal things as well...but different.
As far as Germans and Italian nationals (not U.S. citizens)...they were interred both in WW1 and WW2 in the U.S. as were POWs. There were only about 12k in WW2...so about 10% of the number of Japanese. |
Given that my entire family on both sides was shipped off to Arkansas, I can say that Glen is the closest to being correct. Ficke, I respectfully disagree with you 100%. Fint, I think you sort of embody the same sort of thinking that they had in the 1940s. I would say that only you could draw some sort of moral equivalent between say, a 5 year old daughter of some Japanese farmer who grows strawberries on a California farm, and a Kamikaze pilot. That is what you did there. You would indict an entire culture as deserving of imprisonment. I think the only thing that you and I agree on was that it was a natural human reaction to fear all of the "yellow bastard" Japanese people.
But if you want to know the perspective of how the Japanese here in America thought, because that is what you SHOULD be asking, is that the Japanese American people who were born here and had built up a life were horrified and even more terrified than their White friends were. You have to understand that they had school friends, colleagues, and neighbors who were outraged that they had been locked up and all of their land, possessions, and businesses were taken away from them. These were people who were farmers, teachers, government employees, artists, and college professors. They all lost everything. If anyone was interested, I could upload footage that my grandpa took of the actual concentration camp and the people living there. |
You are mistaken. I draw no equivalent to anything (much less between kamikaze pilots and strawberry farmers)...but, the facts are the facts. Japanese culture (in Japan) was far different than that of most folks in our country. Certainly their military had a different code. Although not strawberry farmers, the traitors at Niʻihau were bee keepers. Lots of folks were scared. To be cautious probably was justified...but as we know...things went too far (confiscation, internment, etc.). Certainly, they should have not lost property, etc. We did the same with Germans and Italians in WW1 and 2 (who were not citizens) and native Americans just before that. Of course, hindsight is 20/20. On the other hand, maybe there were those among the "locked up" that would have sided with their brothers in Japan (like those in Niʻihau) or Germans that would have aided their homeland (as noted earlier, there were traitors of both Japanese and German ancestry in WW2). For recent immigrants, it must have been very difficult to side with their new country against the homeland. Perhaps the internment actually prevented some of them having to decide and it worked. The country was also very angry and to some extent, it might have also protected them from civil violence. As stated, hindsight...
Regardless, we do know that the story of Niʻihau and it being part of the rational for the internment (along with intel assessment) is not often told (as demonstrated by how few here knew about it. Footage of the camp would be very interesting. |
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The first generation Japanese who moved here HATED that system. My great-grandpa hated the Emperor. He loved the freedom, the wide open spaces, and opportunity of America. He loved driving around in an American pickup truck. He said that his proudest achievement was becoming an American citizen in the 1950s. He loved this country even though the FBI tortured my grandpa. And this was a man who settled thousands of acres of farmland, and was sort of a Japanese Sam Walton. My siblings were all taught that the USA is the greatest country in the history of the world. We all wave the American flag and are as conservative and hard working as it gets. I don't doubt that any of my family would die to defend this country, but none were more anti-Japan and pro-USA than the one who came here and made a life out of nothing. |
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It sounds like your family were fabulous immigrants and patriots...just like my German and native American family members were (although some were locked up as well)...not to mention my horse-thieving Scot-Irish ancestors. At the time, folks thought they were doing the right thing. Many who fought in the Civil War on both sides were noble and brave (despite what the current version of history tells us). Hindsight is 20/20. |
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