Hagertys list of the next 10 cars to grab before they go up .
 

I was surprised to see the early Boxster on there . Probably the most unloved P car ever, except for maybe the 914.

Regardless of if they go up, a good handling good braking flat six two seater drop top for less than $10K?

A lot of them need their headlights sanded and resprayed.

Unloved by whom? Not by people that actually own one. Just ask. But I don't agree that they will ever rise in value. Porsche made nearly 100,000 of them in the first 4-5 years. Nowadays you can count the monthly sales of Boxsters in the low hundreds.

Not by me, Im on boxie # 2, and also have a 914. Usually, by the non Porsche guys, or people who have not driven one . Muscle car guys scooff at them as gay hairdresser cars.
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I assume this is the link?

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/07/best-collector-cars-to-buy-now-2019-bull-market-list#

I've never understood the Boxster hate. I've loved them since they first came out. To me the original early 986 is still the best looking Boxster. OK, mine is the least desirable version being a 2.5 with, shhh, two pedals, but I love the car to death. Also I'm a dyed in the wool soft top lover and 996's, or any 911 actual just doesn't look right as a drop top where the Boxster looks perfect.

Where is the Pinto

Thanks Matt, I meant to embed the link

I totally agree. My friend has a '97 Carrera cab with a whale tail. It looks odd.

+1 on unloved by whom ?

With early S models in the 7-10K range, with a mild refresh that is a lot of fun car for the money... I own a 911 right now, but I'd have another boxster in heartbeat in terms of driving dynamics. Best handling car I've owned - I've had 3 (one of them with a roof, OK that one was a cayman). Ironically those cars are now "fixable" (cylinder sleeves, IMS bearing) while the much loved early 997s are not without a major expenditure...

One of my many "falling asleep fantasies" involves picking up a cheap Boxster S, taking the convertible roof off and making a light fun race car out of it. SCCA or PCA have a good series for those I believe...

I mostly agree with the list. One question, at what point are the people who write this crap going to realize that most people under the age of 50 don't care about Camaros and Chevelles? It's always written like they are shocked that people might actually collect something that's not a muscle car.

The Boxster has bottomed out, and while it may never bring huge money I can see it appreciating. Much like the 914 many of them have been trashed and scrapped, so the nice ones will be more valuable just based on that. It's also a normally aspirated six-cylinder mid-engine sports car......Porsche doesn't make one of those anymore. If you buy today, I don't think you'll ever lose money on a nice Boxster. Or add some cash and get a 987 Boxster Spyder, because it's the ultimate evolution of the Boxster.

I don't get the CSL, those are already crazy expensive.

The STi is a definite future classic, and I would add the Lancer Evolution 8 into that department as well. Both are F&F/Gran Turismo hero cars, and finding a low mileage stock example is a total unicorn.

Fox body Mustang, definitely. They've been creeping upwards for a while, and the rare ones like the Saleen and factory Cobra cars are leading the way. I'd still love to have a minty 5.0 notchback.

C4 Corvette, also agree. Hell you can still find a nice ZR1 for $25k, way too cheap for what that car represented. I also think the C5 Z06 will have their day.

MR2 also agree, but think that the 2nd gen turbo cars will ultimately be a better investment. They are prettier, faster, and more fun to drive. They also have more credibility with the F&F crowd.

Ram SRT10, I can see that. Maybe add the F150 Lightning and Silverado SS454 into that grouping as well? The Typhoon and Syclone are appreciating, so why not?

Bronco, absolutely. Nice ones aren't cheap anymore. Also add the K10 Blazer and Ramcharger into that grouping. SUVs can definitely be collector cars, just look at prices for a nice FJ40 Land Cruiser or first gen Bronco.

G8 GXP, maybe, I have a harder time with this one. Really similar to a CTS-V, along with a lot of other hot sedans of the era. Yes it's rare, yes it's one of the last Pontiac models, but will anyone even remember Pontiac in 20 years?

I would also add:

3000GT VR-4/Stealth R/T, 300ZX TT - look at prices for the Supra TT and FD3S RX-7, these are next. A Z32 300ZX will probably be the next car that I add to my garage, because it was my high school dream car.

S2000 - stock, unmodified

Prelude - Si 4WS, or a later SH, again stock and unmodified

Eclipse GSX - stock, unmodified, good luck

Miata - exceptional 1st gen cars have started creeping upwards

Firebird WS6 - dirt cheap for being the best/last example of an iconic nameplate

996TT - these will never be cheaper

When I look at this list it would be difficult for me to take any of the American cars listed over a Corvette C5.

The car in that list that I would consider to have the most potential is the Subaru WRX STi.

Mostly the value sits where it is due to the amount that have needed new engines, puts off younger buyers that can't afford the risk.

But as those younger buyers age up and have more disposable income, the Subaru will be a "dream car".

I would cap the value of a G8 by other cars of similar performance.

I'm not sure Pontiac Nostalgia could make a bump or lasting trend.

The Solstice has an advantage of rather unique styling, there won't be a car like that again.

V8 Sedans with scoops are still being made.

I have to agree with the rest of your list.

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I'm surprised the Viper isn't on the list. The total production of Vipers is <40,000. There are some single years where Corvette surpassed that number.

I think it's mostly in the 20-35 year old range, young men still insecure about their manhood.

For example a Boxster hater I know is a manager at a local store. He is on his second Mini, almost bought an Audi TT first time around but nobody showed him how to drive it and he got frustrated with the paddle shifters as a result.

For the same money he could have gotten a Boxster, but it's not "fast enough".

I guess the Mini and Audi TT are faster?

He thinks the Boxster is a poser because it cannot outrun a Vette in a straight line - I'm serious, this is one of his examples.

RE: 1980–86 FORD BRONCO

Yep, prices going up, but will the new Bronco coming out help or hurt that trajectory?

I have nothing to add, but I agree with this especially the Camaros and Chevelles

I owned a few of those cars on your list and all I can say is they are fun.

>>> The years have passed, Mitsubishi has faded, and Subaru no longer wants to talk about its rallying days, somehow believing that creates a hooligan cloud over a brand that is trying to move upscale to become a sort of discounted Audi. <<<

Ummm, Subaru Motorsports might have something to say about that :rolleyes:

They've even put a faux-555 cigarettes classic livery on it for this season.

https://www.subaru.com/enthusiasts/rally.html

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Keep in mind that as far as Hagerty is concerned, the higher the value, the higher the premium..

Think I'll go looking for a Buick Roadmaster Estate wagon...

read my mind, gotta get me some of that!

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Clearly you've never seen the disgust hurled at the 944 "not a real Porsche" crowd.

From CL:
I'll have to start saving up today, it might take a while.

Disgust hurled? Try saying that the '08-'09 Bullitt Mustang has been a reliable driver and a compromise car that does nothing in a spectacular manner, but everything pretty well.

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I’m sure they’ve all exploded by now.


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Look what Ford did with the firebird. I think it deviated both new and old. Hopefully the bronco won’t be a let down...I won’t hold my breath.


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Huh? Man, a Ford firebird must be really rare...:rolleyes:

I've had five 911's over my lifetime. I have two now.

My first two Porsche's were 914's. The first one was a miserable 75 with the 1.8. It was terrible. I loved it. It pulled me from muscle cars into European sports cars. But I quickly found out that I had the worst of all of the 914's.

The second one was a 74 2.0. Silver with black interior. Bought with bad valve. I rebuilt the engine in my parent's basement the winter of 1987 and never looked back.

Mile for Mile, I had more fun in that car (last two years of college) than any car I have ever owned, including one that I have now that had a $107k MSRP. :rolleyes:

I agree with you, but I hate it every time that I am reminded how much the country clubbers hated the 914.

DL

The boxster is in danger of becoming the next miata.
I know lots of people who look at a boxster as not masculine enough, a girl's car.

I don't agree, but the perception is there for many.

Hagertys list of the next 10 cars to grab before they go up .
 

Meh. My bad. T- bird...same difference.


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The M96 engine is garbage, the 986/996 interior is cheap and ugly, and 986 body styling is uninspired.
Other than that, Boxters are great.

I think my points are supported by the fact that both 944s and 914s are now selling for more than Boxsters.

I don't own one personally - my experience comes from the three boxster engine failures experienced by close friends with well maintained cars.

That said, I loved the 2015 Boxter GTS... an entirely different beast that I would buy in a heartbeat.

My above comments aside, if there were a reasonably easy engine swap available for the 986, for instance a VW 2.0T or a Toyota 2GR-FE, i could see the boxter maintaining some appeal.

Somehow I read right over it and knew exactly what you meant.:D

There has got to be a market for the cars people hated on.

Vega
Pinto
Gremlin
AMC Pacer

Seeing a car that survived the hate'n has gotta mean it's tougher than nails and eventually will earn some respect.

Like the boy who's parents really didn't like him, he got tougher than shint.

Oh god, the "exploding Boxster". I love when people say "my friend has had multiples blow ups". Oh please.
Wasn't it under 10% for single row IMS bearing cars for years 2000-2004 and under 1% for Dual row cars. I like those odds. If it's such a concern, replace the bearing for $2k and call it done. They can't be that ****ty, go to the track and you will be sure to see a bunch.

Honestly I think some idiots just need to bash the Boxster to justify the stupid price they paid for their car. These are the guys you meet and after 15 mins you know all about them and they know nothing about you. Self consumed with their awesomeness.

As someone wrote regarding the Boxster, "It's the smart persons's Porsche".

226k miles later I’m still waiting for my Box’ to explode.

That is the trick.

Collector quality examples of those on the list are going to be hard to find.

the Toadmaster is ungainly

get an Olds VistaCruiser

I typically find that people who knock the Boxster don’t actually have any extended experience with one. That or they have some sexual inadequacy going on.;) They are fantastic cars and a freaking steal in the current context of Porsche pricing. But I also love the Miata so whatever.

One of the only reasons I grabbed the 1981 320i is because I think it will go up in value. I paid very little for an unmolested bone stock example with no rust.

My buddy has the exact same MR2 as they have in that article, he picked it up years ago, needing a clutch job. He purchased it as an investment.

He also purchased a Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Spider because he thinks it will shoot up in value years down the road.

In 2010 I gave him a ride to Atlanta to pick up a 1991 BMW M3 that he purchased for $12,000 that is not a type-o.

I think 80's and 90's Japanese sports cars are going to take off, Conquests, RX-7's and Early sporty Toyotas like the Trueno (AE-86) are going to rocket up in price, I think a Trueno sold on BAT for big money recently.

I just looked it went for $20K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-toyota-corolla-4/