Jax guys....was it NAS?
 

Big azz jet in the H20...has to be NAS? Any details....cool as hell to be on a sailboat beneath jet fighters :)

Nevermind....saw Byron's post in the other thread...

Yes

Can someone translate to English please? I don’t read “a Florida man shorthand” or whatever that was written in.

Nope ;)

Byron understands...any Jax guy would!

NAS = National Airspace System.
Glen, I think you already know about them. Or should. I read about them last year. Kind of a freaky deal if you ask me. Apparently if the military wants an otherwise commercial flight to be more or less out of the system, they fly by the rules of the NAS using all of the resources of the FAA.

Anyone who understands this better, please chime in.

NAS - Naval Air Station???

Yes, NAS = Naval Air Station (JAX in this case).

The other NAS (National Airspace System) just refers to the all-encompassing network of airports/navs/atc/airspace/regs/etc.

News article said the plane left ORF around 0530, flew to NAS JAX, Gitmo, then back to NAS JAX. Crash around 2140, or approx. 16:10 hrs after the first takeoff. No mention if it was one or two crews.

Guaranteed crew change. No more 16+ hour days for flight crews (changed it a few years back).

You sure? On reserve pilots can do 18 hour duty days. Line holders 14 plus 2 hour extension.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1557018653.jpg

A link to pictures

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/photos/chopper-photos-sky-action-news-jax-over-nas-jax-after-plane-skidded-into-st-johns-river/946301790

One I took crossing the Buckman bridge, just south of NAS.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1557019954.jpg

^^That isn't exactly right... Part 135 and part 121 and part 91 flight crews all have different rest/duty requirements and limitations. Part 121 is 16 hours max by reg, BUT 99% of all airlines have contractual limits much lower than that, usually around 10 or 12 hours and also based on the time of day, how many time zones you cross, etc.. . Part 135 can have up to 14 hours of duty, and part 91 has NO limit. Miami Air usually operates under Part 135 so had to been a crew change or somebody in deep doo doo..

I’m not sure any 121 airline has a 10 or 12 hour limit. That would be awesome. That chart was copied from our Union website. 117 is what we use for our rest rules. Our contract isn’t as restrictive.
I actually prefer the older rest rules. 8 hours flight before. Now it’s 9. Depending on the amount of legs.
18 hours is actually legal for reserves. And a lot more frequent than you’d think.
Just yesterday with the weather delays at New York we were scheduled 16:39 duty day.
Miami air flying a 737, I’m going to assume they are operating under part 121.

It’s interesting to note that the highest paid Captain at Miami Air is about what a 3rd year First Officer makes at a major airline. Retirement is 1/2.

The St. John's is only waist deep for much of that area....except for the dredged channel...and the tide ;). I know....

This would have been funny except for the pets in the belly of the jet :(.

Private Charter Airlines Flight – Miami Air International



And the fleet... the -400 is all first class; chartered to sports teams, mostly...

http://www.aircharterguide.com/Operator_Info/MIAMI+AIR+INTERNATIONAL%5Bc%5D+INC%5Bdot%5D/1922/ATLANTA/2124

Yes, the nor not rescuing the pets really bothers me :mad:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1557074215.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1557074215.jpg

Too risky, they determined...
Since the hold is mostly under water, they probably died within minutes of the immersion...

Rescuers went into the hold, no visible pet crates or sounds whatsoever.
The plane was still settling slightly; was too dangerous to send people in there....

99% of 121 carriers have @12 hour scheduling limit....contractually.. Reserve crews have the same limitations... No carrier for hire can be scheduled for more than 16 hours (if you dont have contractual limits). You can certainly start a trip and be delayed due to weather etc enroute, and go over the limit, but you cannot depart KNOWING you will be over the limit when you land.

@seafeye Shoot me a PM with your carrier. I apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but if i am, you're the 1%!

Hate to jump to conclusions but sure looks like pilot error. Maybe a fatigue issue as well. Still trying to source wether the crew was on duty for 16 hours...