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Why do German cars require more care and maintenance than Japanese counterparts?

Iím shopping for a used Boxster and the ones Iím seeing have had so much more work and parts replaced than Miatas of the same age. If thought German cars are supposed to be well engineered and better built?
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I just want to take this opportunity to point out that you are comparing a Boxster to a Miata.
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There's a reason we bought a Camry instead if a VW as our main grocery getter.

We still remember all the problems we had with the VW Rabbit back in the day.

Haven't considered a VW since.
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More complex systems = more things that could go wrong. I got a used Cayenne and luckily the PO got most fixed under warranty. I did have to pay for one door lock actuator... OTOH my 2011 Sienna had a sliding door recall.
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False premise.

Some Jap cars are more reliable than some Germ cars.

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Why make systems more complex? Maybe I’m generalizing but I worked for a German company and all of the processes I had to work with seemed more complicated than necessary. We had to come up with workarounds to get things done. That’s basically what additional maintenance is, workarounds.
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I'm not sure I know the answer, but I like the different philosophies. The Germans deliver a high level of driver involvement, and perhaps expect the driver to be similarly highly involved in the care and feeding of the car. The Japanese deliver remarkable levels of reliability and longevity, but, to my tastes, still lag behind the Germans in feel and driver involvement.

Alas, the gap is narrowing over time, and not in a good way. Instead, there is regression toward the mean, where Japanese cars are gaining feel and German cars are losing it. My 10-year-old E92 M3 feels special--and it is special--with its 414 hp 8250-rpm V8. The F generation M3s and M4s are fast cars, but they are turbo motors, which is what everything is becoming, and the legendary BMW steering feel has gone pretty numb with the switchover to electric assist.

Now, in the case of the new BMW Z4/Toyota Supra, we have a shared BMW Toyota platform, and the regression toward the mean is nearly complete.
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False premise.

Some Jap cars are more reliable than some Germ cars.

Always wondered what you looked and sounded like.
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LOL - ah no.

I'll have to remain in your head w/o image.
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I just want to take this opportunity to point out that you are comparing a Boxster to a Miata.
Guess which of the 2 is rated #4 of the top 10 most reliable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX4QeENdCmM
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Guess which of the 2 is rated #4 of the top 10 most reliable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX4QeENdCmM
I promise you, I tried to watch that video because it's probably interesting. But the douchenozzle host...nope sorry. "these SOMEWHAT United States" Ö..sftu you fudge packer
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Funny, I have been thinking the same thing . Honestly, at this stage of the game, with all the technology automakers have at their disposal, there is no excuse for unreliable vehicles from any manufacturer
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Iím shopping for a used Boxster and the ones Iím seeing have had so much more work and parts replaced than Miatas of the same age. If thought German cars are supposed to be well engineered and better built?
The European car makers seem to prioritize refinement over service intervals.
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Funny, I have been thinking the same thing . Honestly, at this stage of the game, with all the technology automakers have at their disposal, there is no excuse for unreliable vehicles from any manufacturer
This. I strongly agree.

As a side note....I sold my 87 Carrera about 2 years ago. Replaced it with a 2010 Miata with a 6 speed, power retractable hard top, working AC, etc. it’s faster (and quicker) than the Carrera, far more nimble, and a blast to drive...and requires almost no maintenance or repairs. Certainly not Boxster performance but the fun factor has to be close for a fraction of the cost...and grief.

Yes, all modern cars should be very, very reliable. This is mature technology.
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A query if you please...do the Japanese outsource as much as the Germans do?
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The only possible answer to OPs question is they euro cars are not as well engineered and built.
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Mazda has had its troubles with some of the Miata ND's 2016 transmission. So it is not perfect right out of the box. Much like the IMS on earlier Porsche watercooled engines there is a small percentage that are problematic.

The difference between Mazda and Porsche is that Mazda has been replacing the defective transmission. The ND however is only three years old now so transmissions can be replaced within the warranty period. Once out of the warranty period who knows whether Mazda will cover problematic transmissions but if not they are not that expensive to replace.

Porsche likely is good at honoring issues within warranty but outside not so much as witnessed by the IMS problems.
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Buy the Miata.
I'll take the Boxster.
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The work done on a car may also have to do with the owners.

Some owners do work they don't need. Often from overmuch passion and a wilingness to spend money combined with not enough knowledge.
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