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flipper35 09-04-2019 12:54 PM

OK guitarists, why?
 
I know this has been a trend a long time, but I see it more and more often now different places.

Why do so many play the 4 fingered G chord, Cadd9, Dsus for so many songs. If it is just the guitar and originally in G, OK maybe. Why move the capo around just so you can play those chords. And why on ever living earth do they do it when there is a keyboard or second guitar that plays the correct (non Cadd9, Dsus) chords as written! Is this a Starbucks all the kids are doing it even if it sounds bad thing?

It can't be to make it easier to change chords, because it really isn't. One guy I have seen plays all his chords with his third and fourth finger on the third fret, first and second strings.

flatbutt 09-04-2019 01:13 PM

Is it part of a G D Em progression?

flipper35 09-04-2019 01:17 PM

Usually GCD, Em, Am. Why do they capo the guitar to play those chords? If it is in A, play ADE instead of capo 2?

oldE 09-04-2019 01:48 PM

I play solo gigs and will play some or all of those chords on "More Than Words " and "Wish You Were Here "
With some songs it sounds good . But I don't play them on every song.

Best
Les

flipper35 09-04-2019 02:08 PM

That I can totally understand, especially on some acoustics it can really brighten it up and from an artistic standpoint I can see it on some songs. Some are actually written that way as well, just why every song, even in different keys.

Cajundaddy 09-04-2019 02:15 PM

Depends on the song and the guitarist. It does add a more complex harmonic content that suits a specific style but if used every song, somebody need to up their game. It would be like using a chorus or flange on every song. Eesh!

flatbutt 09-04-2019 07:35 PM

chek her G, I think it's a G

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wildthing 09-04-2019 07:57 PM

It changes the quality of the chord - at least for the G with the D on the 5th string instead of an open B. A sus chord adds the instability that makes us anticipate a resolution to the regular triad, because the note is the 7th...

Th 9th just adds texture or color to the regular triad or the major 7th, common in jazz.

madcorgi 09-04-2019 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 10582176)
chek her G, I think it's a G

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My teacher called it a rock n roll G. It's how I learned to play it.

flipper35 09-05-2019 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 10581833)
Depends on the song and the guitarist. It does add a more complex harmonic content that suits a specific style but if used every song, somebody need to up their game. It would be like using a chorus or flange on every song. Eesh!

It's bad when the keyboard and other guitar are not playing the add9 and sus.

Cajundaddy 09-05-2019 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by peteremsley (Post 10582297)

why is so much country music half a step down?

Because Jimi, EVH, and SRV were right. The all tuned down 1/2 step during their careers. I prefer to tune 1/2 step down every chance I get. Less tension on the strings so full step bends don't result in bloody fingers and the guitar just sounds better to my ears. A side benefit is that reaching those high vocal passages is just a bit easier.

flipper35 09-05-2019 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wildthing (Post 10582191)
It changes the quality of the chord - at least for the G with the D on the 5th string instead of an open B. A sus chord adds the instability that makes us anticipate a resolution to the regular triad, because the note is the 7th...

Th 9th just adds texture or color to the regular triad or the major 7th, common in jazz.

It does, you can have a double third or double fifth or dampen the 5th string and not double up. The G I get, the others I don't, especially when you put a capo on specifically to play those chords.

For sus chords the first song I think of is Classical Gas from Mason Williams.

flipper35 09-05-2019 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 10582532)
Because Jimi, EVH, and SRV were right. The all tuned down 1/2 step during their careers. I prefer to tune 1/2 step down every chance I get. Less tension on the strings so full step bends don't result in bloody fingers and the guitar just sounds better to my ears. A side benefit is that reaching those high vocal passages is just a bit easier.

Fireflight plays a lot in drop C#.

Cajundaddy 09-05-2019 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10582561)
Fireflight plays a lot in drop C#.

Lots of Death Metal bands using 7 string and extreme drop tunings. They are exploring new territory but not my cup-o-tea.

flipper35 09-05-2019 09:27 AM

A friend of mine plays in a B tuning. What is that, 5 steps down?

ledhedsymbols 09-05-2019 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10581719)
I know this has been a trend a long time, but I see it more and more often now different places.

Why do so many play the 4 fingered G chord, Cadd9, Dsus for so many songs. If it is just the guitar and originally in G, OK maybe. Why move the capo around just so you can play those chords. And why on ever living earth do they do it when there is a keyboard or second guitar that plays the correct (non Cadd9, Dsus) chords as written! Is this a Starbucks all the kids are doing it even if it sounds bad thing?

It can't be to make it easier to change chords, because it really isn't. One guy I have seen plays all his chords with his third and fourth finger on the third fret, first and second strings.


I think lots play the four finger "Big G" and Cadd9 because the transition is so easy. The Dsus2 and Dsus4 are fairly easy ways to add some texture. Move the capo, and you can change keys without Barre chords and all that hard stuff.

That's my opinion as a hack guitarist!

flipper35 09-06-2019 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ledhedsymbols (Post 10583024)
I think lots play the four finger "Big G" and Cadd9 because the transition is so easy. The Dsus2 and Dsus4 are fairly easy ways to add some texture. Move the capo, and you can change keys without Barre chords and all that hard stuff.

That's my opinion as a hack guitarist!

Sure, if you are playing in Bflat or something.

Like I mentinoed above, it is really grating then the keyboard is playing the music as written and the guitar is going all trendy.

I don't see a big G to Cadd9 any easier than a pinky G to C.

I guess I am a chord snob, especially in an ensemble.

If it is one guy on a barstool at a club, go for it.


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