I’m still waiting for Hitler on Ice musical that Mel Brooks promised years ago.

Well, Por_sha911, I will say you appear to me to be judgemental by calling the movie trash and the Director a schmuck, without having ever watched it. How is that difficult to understand?

It appears that you have created your very own fantasy world storyline to shoehorn this film and me into your preconceived narrative. You've eseentially created an entire movie about a movie in your head to comfort yourself.

That is fascinating. Introspection is your friend.

yes, of course I've seen it, which is why I posted: Funny, clever, poignant, charming. Satire well done in my opening post. And looking forward to seeing again on Friday night. I think you would like it a lot.

The combination of very real ignorance and subsequent manufactured outrage over a trailer, and only a trailer, is very interesting and does not speak well to the future of our country where people are so easily manipulated by fake news.

Speaking of direction.
The way I looked at it was to draw a parallel line.

I looked at it trying to draw a line in modern times that would change the groups to something around today.
Now, the average age of reaching adulthood is higher now than then, so the major character of the film would be older.

I placed my parallel character into first year of college.

Now, what group in first year of college would have support from teachers, professors, and staff; what would this person go to in order to get my parallel direction?

There is one obvious movement that has support and even participation from non insignificant portions of academia.

Lets place our first year college student character as trying to be a "Good little Antifa Communist".

We could change his imaginary friend to George Soros.

We follow the misadventures as he taught to hate many different groups that the Antifa Communist hate.

Then he is faced with the knowledge that his mom has a young lady college student over as a guest at dinner that wore a MAGA hat. How does he deal with this?

He can go from this:

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To someone able to accept other people and not be so illiberal like the vocal majority of the college students he knows.

Does the logic presented in that trailer really seem so bad?

no

Oh sweet irony

We judge the merits of a movie on the trailer you feel we misunderstand and are provincial simpletons. You judge a person you misunderstand and you are a philosopher.

GD you are an amusing little imp..

I won't financially support something that I find offensive. If the intent of the movie was not as many have felt then why did the trailer give such a wrong impression? If you don't want to be misunderstood, you take time to make clear your intention. The trailer may simply be misleading but I suspect that it was setup this way to gain attention and they have succeeded to that end. Either way, I won't support it with my dollars.



p.s. With all due respect to anyone on this BBS, just because Shaun approves of the movie doesn't mean much to me personally. I chose to make my own decisions. Again, I am not condemning those that like the movie nor am I promoting a boycott. If you think its a great movie then go for it.

I must challenge your basic premise.
Our moral standards are looser than ever before. Things that would be considered inappropriate and completely shunned 50 years ago are not commonplace and considered normal.

What did you find offensive about the trailer?

I saw a boy without a father that created his own "Furhur".

He follows a delusion, and has a delusional system in place by teachers and instructors that help maintain it.

Then, the trailer shows his perception in conflict when he meets a jew.
The trailer also reveals his own mother would get in trouble for hiding the jew should the boy take the action his mental construct demands.

His construct falls apart because the jew was different than his dogma had illustrated.

He stops attending what he formerly attended, and the trailer ends with a statement that his dogma had lost.

What is wrong with that? Why is it offensive?

The creators of movies put out a trailer to tell you what the movie is about. If they didn't want to give folks (not just myself) the wrong impression then they should have done better to present it properly. You only get one chance to make a good first impression. How hard is it to understand that people refuse to financially support something that seems to present something they find distasteful? If in fact the creators are making light of the holocaust then it is IMO trash and they are schmucks. Also, for reference sake, I have seen The Producers many times and love it because it clearly mocks Hitler without any ambiguity. I am not triggered by all things about the war, Germany or even Hitler. How many here have read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? I have.

First, I have not pulled the "I'm offended" card. I believe in freedom of expression even if I find it morally wrong. Why do I judge the movie? The trailer is its first impression they want me to have and I've already told you before:
I don't feel that it is necessary for me to defend my opinion. I stated it and that I won't financially support that movie. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. We will have to agree to disagree. It is a waste of time to keep restating the same things.

BTW, once it comes out on TV and I can see it without financially supporting a questionable movie, I hope to remember to find this thread and either confirm or recant my opinion.

oh my.

What I saw in the trailer was not mocking Hitler as much as showing how easy it is for people with a hollow in their life to fill it by taking up a bad cause.

I didn't see it put down the holocaust in the trailer.

Rather, the main character is effected because the main character's mother is sheltering a jew.

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3:28

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Considering the frequent Swastika display will they be able to release the movie in Germany?

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-confusing-rules-on-swastikas-and-nazi-symbols/a-45063547

I saw JojoRabbit today, Great movie. Very rich with a lot going on. Like the trailer it mocked Nazis/Hitler and also had very point views on the times and what Germans felt and were going through. They got fooled and paid. There were hero's hidden every where, like in life.
It was better than I thought.

Great interview, thanks for posting, here it is embedded. Glad you liked the movie. I'll probably see it a third time later this week. Second was better than the first.

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What did you think when you saw her shoes, and he tied them?

You follow the butter fly, so innocent and beautiful in a dreary world of war, then you see her shoes, rough,and when he tires them you know all along the son had let his mother give him love and accept it that way, very touching and poignant.
One of the best movies I have seen in awhile.

Review from our Rabbi.

Black comedy that turns tragic in the end.

He enjoyed it.

Three times is enough

A blue butterfly is tough

The boy so much love

Bugger it... I've heard so many good things about this movie I've decided to watch it tonight with my son.

More soon.

OP, if you enjoyed JoJo, have a look at Taika Waititi's earlier "Boy" and "Hunt for the Wilderpeople". Interesting, quirky - and very very funny - movies.

I watched it with my wife on Saturday night.

I didn't think it was great - maybe a 6 out of 10. I'm always bothered by historical inaccuracies in period movies.

I did enjoy that it was all based on Jojo's perception. The plot and message made the movie, the acting by Jojo and his friend were excellent - some of the other actors just grated on me.

It was worth seeing.

OK ahhh, in a word different. Early on it was just plain silly and that's great if you enjoy that sort of humour but it's not really my thing.
However the whole tone of the movie changed in the second half. It became something special.
It snuck up on you. It was subtle and very clever and I enjoyed it.

Heroes, German version.

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There is a pretty clever documentary about Humor: what can't be made into a joke... where to draw the line. Mel Brooks says : the Holocaust itself, in another scene Sara Silverman goes and makes a pretty ok joke on the subject, considering.. So things go from there, then it is finally revealed, that in the concentration camps humor existed : occasionally there was one funny person trying to " save " the situation thru humor.. then there was that film with, Roberto Benigni a while ago ...based on a true story.
Haven't seen Jojo Rabbit yet.. will report back.

So what do you think of The Gap's "camp shirt"

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/gap-pulls-camp-shirt-from-sale-auschwitz-comparisons

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I'm not seeing the problem. If they put numbers on it then maybe so.

p.s. I read a few folks saying "I'll get back to you after I watch the movie" but didn't reply. Didn't reply or didn't watch it or didn't want to be attacked if you didn't like it? Just wondering

I forgot about this thread.

We watch the movie a few weeks ago.

It was disgusting.




Disgusting how many of you dismissed it because of a trailer that was specifically designed to fool you about the movie. Even the movie itself grabbed you by the nose and lead you EXACTLYWHEREITWANTEDYOUTOGO. The movie itself was spectacular, and deserved all of the awards and accolades it's received. Even the "dumb blonde" shows once again that she has a well of talent hidden away that she can call upon when needed. The children acting? They were wise beyond their years, I'm blown away by the maturity that they had, and I expect that was mostly Waititi directing the hell out of them. The fat friend was acting (language, technique, body language) as well as any 30 year old professional. Funny and brutal with an otherworldly layer over everything, it reminds me of the OTHER fantasy movie about a child dealing with atrocities of war in their life, Pans Labyrinth. Remember, that was about a little girl's fantasy during a great war, with death around her (and possibly all in her head as she lay dying).

I'm going play MSM and quote you:
"I forgot about this thread.
We watch the movie a few weeks ago.
It was disgusting."
;)

OK, thanks for the response. What about the shirt?

The shirt has a very superficial resemblance.

The movie is coming to HBO sometime in the next month or two.

I knew a man who was a Holocaust survivor. He was a deaf mute, and a young man when put in a camp. Always a friendly guy, he got along with everyone, including the guards. On the day he was to be put to death, he walked out of the camp in broad daylight. No one stopped him.

He made his way out of the country, and tried to get on a boat for America. He couldn't, and so somehow he traveled to China, where he met a deaf Chinese girl and married her. He learned to be an artist in China, and eventually made his way to the United States, where he became well known as an artist. They raised two boys. One became a Doctor, the other a drug addict. I knew him through his son, the Doctor.

He was 99 when he died. After the funeral, his son told me that one of his art works is on display at the White House. He died on his birthday, which his family said signified some kind of special blessing from God. I don't doubt it in the least.

If I saw that shirt....I'd think referee and not even begin to think it was related to atrocities committed long ago...but still "fresh" to many.

I have no problem with it being pulled either....it's just a shirt.

Just watched it last night. First movie ALL my kids wanted to watch with me and the Mrs for YEARS!

Wow. It was delightful. What a wonderful and well made movie. Hit on all 8 cylinders for sure.

All of the major German characters in Hogans Heros were Jews. In total, five major cast members were Jewish. Four survived the Holocaust.

1)La Beau

Le Beau never wore short sleeves.

In 1942, Clary would find himself in the Buchenwald concentration camp along with most of his family. He still has the number A-5714 tattooed to his arm. His parents and four siblings, as well a numerous other family members, would be tragically murdered by the Nazis before the occupation of Germany finally put a stop to the systematic killing.

***

Clary would not talk about the Holocaust for 36 years, and then only because of anger over those who were denying the event. He would begin lecturing about the Holocaust in the early 1980's, to great effect. Robert was in the made-for-television Holocaust film, Remembrance of Love, with Kirk Douglas in 1982 and in 1984 starred in the acclaimed ' Robert Clary A5714: A Memoir of Liberation about his Holocaust experiences.

2) Colonel Klink

Thirteen-year-old Werner Klemperer witnessed some of the violence, and he would always remember the SA rioting in the streets of Berlin; the smell of fear in the air. After Hitler's thugs commandeered the Kroll for their own insidious uses, and the illustrious conductor narrowly escaped two assassination attempts, he wisely fled to Switzerland and then to Vienna, his family later joining him as inconspicuously as possible. Otto Klemperer would never fully recover from injuries received during one of the failed attempts, and would remain mentally and physically unstable throughout the rest of his life. Werner would later comment on his up bringing: "It wasn't the typical childhood where you went out and played ball with your father.

When he read the script and realized that he was being offered a part a sit-com about Nazis, of all things, he at first was inclined to pass, but ultimately took the role with one condition: "I had one qualification when I took the job - if they ever wrote a segment whereby Colonel Klink would come out the hero, I would leave the show." Klemperer's publicist, Bernie Ilson, put it this way: "He insisted in all the shows that he come out as the loser. He was sensitive about that. He was worried that the commandant would come out as a winner."

3) Sgt. Schultz

John Banner was born to Jewish parents on January 28, 1910. 21-year-old Adolf Hitler, a street artist who had failed to be accepted by the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts, was living down the street in a Vienna men's hostel. Both were sons of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. As luck would have it, when Hitler's Germany occupied Austria on March 12, 1938, Banner, a budding young actor, was on tour in Switzerland with an acting company. Accepted by the US as a political refugee, Banner soon got a gig as the Master of Ceremonies for a musical revue, learning English along the way. Unfortunately, most of his family, still trapped in Austria, would perish in Hitler's death camps.

4) General Burghalter

When Hitler took power in Germany in early 1933, Askin was unfortunate enough to have been playing a gig in Düsseldorf. He was hauled off the stage on March 11, 1933, and told not to return. On April 15, 1933, he was arrested by the SA, taken to a make-shift 'jail' and beaten senseless by an SS-Mann. In March 1938, Leon fled to Paris as Hitler rode into Vienna in triumph. Soon, France declared war on Hitler's Germany, and the young actor was eventually interned for a short time at the Meslay du Maine prison camp.

Leon emigrated to the US in 1940, and immediately began work in the theater in the US, directing as well as acting. When America. entered WW2, Askin joined the Army Air Force as a public relations officer. He also became the chief editor of the AAF weekly Orientation Digest. It was during this time that Leon Askin became a citizen of the US, and changed his name from Leon Aschkenasy to Leon Askin.

5) SS Major Wolfgang Hochstetter

In 1939, as Hitler's forces were gearing for their push in the West, Howard (Cohen) Caine and his Jewish parents moved to New York City - from Nashville, Tennessee. At the age of thirteen, he was already working toward a career in acting, losing his Southern accent and learning the first of some 32 foreign languages and dialects. When the US entered WW2, Caine joined the US Navy, serving in the Pacific Theator for the duration. After the war, he graduated Summa Cum Laude from Columbia University's school of acting and immediately hit Broadway running. In 1961, Caine was cast in a minor role in the award-winning court drama 'Judgment at Nuremberg,' based loosely on the so-called Judge's Trial of 1947, with Werner Klemperer. He would ultimately act in over 750 live and filmed TV shows and movies.


Hogan's Jews

I’ve had JoJo Rabbit, (screener DVD), sitting on the floor of my car since award season, about when this thread started. I tried to watch it once but only made it about 20 minutes in. Nothing to do w morality or anything like that, it just bored me and seemed cloying, the worst sin a film can have to me. I felt like I did not need to see the rest of it, that I got what it was about and trying to accomplish and it was boring.

It’s a shame because I really like the writer/director and wanted to like it. Anytime a creative work is obviously trying to evoke a specific response, it sucks, IMO. Whether it’s a painting, a novel, a play or an automotive design, doesn’t matter. Always sucks.

I love film but I’m not a typical consumer of it, I guess.

Thanks for all the insights and opinions. Anyone else want to comment on the camp shirt that triggered folks to the point where they had to stop offering it?

It's a striped shirt that does not mimic the concentration camp garb save vertical stripes.

Collar, sleeves, buttons, number(s) and frequency of stripes is different. New shirt is far less robust as to fabric density.

I don't see an issue.

100%. I remember someone did a striped shirt but it has numbers or an emblem on it and that was going a little too far. This one is being killed by an unstable person.

I've been a fan of these guys forever, and until now I never made a connection between their signatures shirts and the holocaust. I doubt if others would make the connection when seen on regular people in every-day settings. The name, "Camp Shirt", is unfortunate, though.

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