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dan79brooklyn 12-01-2019 06:21 PM

Low speed tire scrub. Worry or not?
 
My summer tires had run out of tread on my 2002 E320 Benz.

I picked up a set of used (50%) tread left Continental Contisportcontact 5p. 235/40/18. Here in Japan used tires are ok to resell and the set I bought was good.

Tire shop balanced them easily and they ride smooth and handle nicely no vibrations.

However in the morning when I pull out of my parking space ( temps in the 40s ) at full lock. I get this very strange tire scrub/hop feeling.
I never experienced it before in all the cars I owned. Normal? Are Continentals extra sticky and need to be warmed up? I’ve had two sets of summer tires on this car before without any issues.

wdfifteen 12-01-2019 06:27 PM

Any chance the tires are rubbing on the chassis or body?

dan79brooklyn 12-01-2019 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10675464)
Any chance the tires are rubbing on the chassis or body?

No signs of any rubbing. My guess is it’s the compound of the Continentals. I did some research on tire rack and a few other people noticed the same thing.

looneybin 12-01-2019 06:40 PM

I’ve noticed it on my conti’s when cold and making a u-turn at full lock, sometimes the outside front wheel will hop

dan79brooklyn 12-01-2019 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by looneybin (Post 10675475)
I’ve noticed it on my conti’s when cold and making a u-turn at full lock, sometimes the outside front wheel will hop

Yep. That’s exactly what I feel. I guess it’s normal for Continental tires :(
Luckily I didn’t spend much on them and my Benz goes through front tires once a year.
I’ll be putting on the winter wheels soon anyways.

john70t 12-02-2019 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dan79brooklyn (Post 10675483)
my Benz goes through front tires once a year.

That's too much. A lot of turning with start/stop is assumed..being japan and all..

Has an alignment been done? Check ride height? Replace front shocks and bushings and sway bar? Tire rotation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_steering_geometry
Those might help in the long run.

Since it's a heavy car, an investment in more sidewall and harder compound might make more economic sense over time. Run the numbers.
And slow down. :D

porsche930dude 12-02-2019 09:08 AM

some cars ackerman and scrub radius gets way out at lock. My fathers tahoe is like that it scrubs terrible when turning tight. You may have just not noticed it with the old tires. They say it can be fixed with alignment

Tervuren 12-02-2019 09:28 AM

This is normal on all my summer oriented tires.

smadsen 12-02-2019 08:26 PM

All newer 911 chatter in slow, driveway type turns, especially in reverse. Wide tires and slow, full lock turns exacerbate the ackerman alignment...or mis-alignment at full lock. I don't think it's hard on the tires at 2 mph.

I might describe it as two tires that are attached thru steering linkage trying to proscribe different radii in a turning maneuver. Since they can't, one of them is forced to skip around the circle.

Race cars are prone to this phenomena, but if you ever experience it, you're prolly moving rapidly toward the scene of the accident.

dan79brooklyn 12-03-2019 02:07 AM

Thanks for all the replies. I’m happy to hear it’s a normal phenomenon. Still a strange feeling that I probably won’t get used to...

T77911S 12-04-2019 02:54 AM

have you had an alignment done.


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