Michael Moore at the academy awards..

Tinton · 12:42 AM

Not sure if this is a topic of interest, but did many of you guys watch the speech? What did you think of him using his acceptance time as a stage for politics?

Michael Moore's Academy Award acceptance speech

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"On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this.

I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to — they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction.

We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times.

We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president.

We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.

Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush.

Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you.

And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up.

Thank you very much."

Anthony.

Victor · 03-28-2003, 01:19 AM

Given the current state of affairs, would you have expected anything else from him?

speeder · speeder's Garage

Not sure if that was really a very effective protest by him, even though I agree w/ some of it. Did you see his film that won the award, (Bowling for Columbine)? He has a tendency to propagandize his message to the point where it puts a lot of people off who might otherwise listen to what he has to say, IMO.

Victor · 01:48 AM

I have not seen the film. I am trying to read his "Stupid White Men" book. I say trying because he whinges too much for my liking. It's his tone. It's like reading a V8 conversion thread on the 911 tech board over and over again.

I guess if we don't find weapons of mass destruction, Saddam or Osama SOMETIME SOON - preferably before the next 130,000 troops are deployed - the Pope, the French and dare I say it *the Dixie Chicks* are going to start looking intelligent.

Is it true that George W Bush thought the Pope and the Dalai Lama are the same person?

hardflex · 03-28-2003, 03:01 AM

I thought his Oscar speech was inappropriate for the time, and not very classy. I agree with another thread where they say it's not a documentary, which it's not.

That being said, I enjoyed the heck out of "bowling for columbine". It asks some interesting questions and has a great mix of humor and serious content, and even makes Marylin Manson seem intelligent. I think about it every time I see a headline promo trying to provoke fear in me in order to buy a magazine or watch a news show, or vote for this or that. In the end, it's not really even anti- gun, just thought provoking.

I could see where his books might get a bit "preachy"

Go see the movie though

emcon5 · emcon5's Garage

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Originally spouted off by a self promoting jackass

""(Documentary filmmakers) like nonfiction, And we live in fictitious times, and we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president that sends us to war for fictitious reasons."

How poetic it is that that windbag is talking about "nonfiction" when the so called documentary he won an Oscar for is almost completely a work of fiction.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Not that this is anything new, he has a history of pulling facts out of his ass.

Tom

island911 · 03-28-2003, 09:38 AM

Clearly MM was just trying to bump-up his "celebrity" status, by being "in the face' of current events. Wearing a tux, holding a gold figurine, and spouting off "fictitious president that sends us to war for fictitious reasons" surely has no positive effect. It did get him lots of press (we're typing about him now even) and quite a few boo's from a PC theater.

The hypocracy being, MM is leveraging the war to make huge money off those dumb saps whom want the "product" of a packaged, high-gloss, 'in your face', propoganda machine; for the goal of laying out just how we ought not buy into a propoganda machine "product". (it's funny)

Good stuff, as usual, Tom.

BlueSkyJaunte · 03-28-2003, 09:47 AM

Even better, the Oscars this year had the lowest ratings since before they were televised.

...so Michael Moron's rant was heard by far fewer than he probably had hoped for.

SteveStromberg · 03-28-2003, 06:47 PM

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speeder · speeder's Garage

Um, well........, love him or hate him, but he has had a book on the top of the N.Y. Times bestseller list for something like 2 years, so people who read have definitely heard of him. Plus he makes hugely publicised commercial films, (which I don't consider documentaries, FWIW).

Tinton · 04-02-2003, 06:50 PM

I remember Michael Moore from all the shows I used to see on the tv. Many times he would accompany ill people from the effects of cigarettes and confront the companies. Various other stunts against corporate giants were shown too.

I watched 'bowling for clolumbine'. The documentary is an eye opener. It is not limited to the love affair with the gun. I coudln't understand Charlton Heston, I can't believe I used to think this guy was cool. If you have not seen it, do.

His book will be the next I read.

Anthony.

emcon5 · emcon5's Garage

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Originally posted by Tinton
I coudln't understand Charlton Heston, I can't believe I used to think this guy was cool. If you have not seen it, do.

Again, Michael Moore is a complete tool, that takes snippets of actual events and then rearanges them so the meaning is completely different to support his conclusions.

Read about the distortions regarding Heston and the NRA here, at this link
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Complete with links to news articles from the time, transcipts of Heston's speech, as well as a long list of other crap he blanantly lies about.

It is all BS.

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His book will be the next I read.

Just be aware that his books are "political humor," (aka fiction) From the Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal:

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In print, too, Mr. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. In his "Stupid White Men," his best-selling book, he blithely states that five-sixths of the U.S. defense budget in 2001 went toward the construction of a single type of plane and that two-thirds of the $190 million that President Bush raised in his 2000 campaign came from just over 700 individuals, a preposterous assertion given that the limit for individual contributions at the time was $1,000.
When CNN's Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off the quesiton. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I mean, I don't respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said.

"Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said.

"No, I don't. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?"

Tom

Tinton · 04-02-2003, 09:23 PM

You could almost forgive anyone for believing that the events occured just as they are portrayed. Everyone who watches the movie, go in under the impression it is a documentary! I mean, it even won the award.

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the annual members' meeting; that could not be cancelled because corporate law required that it be held. [No way to change location, since you have to give advance notice of that to the members, and there were upwards of 4,000,000 members.]

So corporate law required that they cannot change the location without notice, but, could they have cancelled without notice?

I don't believe he should have used his speech time the way he did. It was a publicity stunt and sure enough, it worked. I have gone to see the movie and am buying the book.

Anthony.