Of course not.
They aren't hauling cement. Look inside a loaded UPS truck. It's mostly air.

That's my point.
Statements like this are right out of the coal industry playbook and they probably got it from the stable cleaners unions a hundred years ago.
" Originally Posted by legion View Post
Purchase price is the same, operating cost is 50%, but it doesn't say what their payload is. I'd suspect with the heavy batteries, the payload would be around 50%. So that would mean UPS has to pay twice as much for vehicles to deliver the same number of packages at the same operating cost."

In case it wasn't clear, I was agreeing with you.

But a HUGE part of the coal industry's market is in electrical power. Coal guys should be encouraging more electric vehicles.

which reminds me... might be a good time to look at lowly delivery co. stocks
1. EVs
2. later, autonomous driving or drones

They just built a nat gas fuel station in front of our local landfill. The gas company has all nat gas vehicles as well as one of the trash companies and some of the county vehicles are nat gas. Personally I think better than electric. Clean burning and renewable.

is the gas derived from the landfill or piped in NG?

ability to use gas from landfills & animal feeding operations (CAFOs) is one of the big reasons to retain NG as a fuel, not to mention as a chemical feedstock

I don't know for sure but assume from the landfill since it is right out front. There are two other NG stations that I am aware of that the NG is no doubt piped in. One at the gas company and the other at the MUA transfer station.

Clic on the state and you can go to a spreadsheet to see where they are in operation.

https://www.epa.gov/lmop/project-and-landfill-data-state

Well that's not totally correct.
I once worked in San Francisco and often saw package cars filled up to the ceiling. (Most of the time actually.)
You wouldn't believe it if I told ya.

All of those engines were very under-powered for the task.

Stick shift. Bad clutches. Breakdowns. Tired drivers.
With a poor maintenance environment.
Primarily due to poor management...

An automatic with instant torque would go a long way in that environment.

Thanks for the link.

Capturing landfill methane/CO2 is a great idea. Didn't know it was already being done.

I own a Landfill gas to Electricity company.

We have considered RNG (Renewable Natural Gas/Bio-Methane/RCNG). The gas cleanup will depend on what you plan to do with the gas.

Pipeline inject usually is the most stringent. It requires taking the gas to pipeline quality and removing the Nitrogen, Oxygen, CO2, H2S, Silica compounds, VOCs and water vapor.

If you can do "on-site" CNG refueling, you do not have to be quite so stringent on the Nitrogen removal, which is the hardest.

With Electricity production, depending on the quality of the gas and the environmental permits, you may not need to clean up the gas or minimally clean it.

You do not capture the CO2. And the gas is burned in a flare, if it is not used in a process.

Exactly. You need a way to use the "natural" resources. They are BAD being released into the atmosphere.