Navy pulls captain of TR

[greglepore]

If it was simply for speaking out for his troops, its a disgrace.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-expected-relieve-captain-who-raised-alarm-about-covid-19-n1175351

[Seahawk]

Friend of mine has a son flying off the TR.

We’ll know more soon.

[greglepore]

Figured you'd chime in Paul. Can't square this with what it takes to get this sort of command in the first place.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Figured you'd chime in Paul. Can't square this with what it takes to get this sort of command in the first place.

I can’t either. Managing what message gets out of your command is paramount.

[David]

I’ve never served but I’m a manager and would do the same thing if I wasn’t getting the support I expected for my employees . I’m sure he knew how this could turn out but it pisses me off that it did.

[Sooner or later]

That thing has damn near 5,000 on board. They won't be able to find a place suitable for that many to be quarantined overnight.

We don't know the background of what happened. We don't know exact time frame or communication trail.. He may have done the right thing going public.

[Baz]

For me the biggest issue is how his letter got "leaked" to the public.

That's no bueno.....

[Hard-Deck]

I agree with the House Armed Services Committee....over-reaction.

[fanaudical]

I don't mean to "armchair QB" the decision, but my immediate thought when I first heard the story was "Who leaked the crew status of a major US asset and weapons platform while it's far from home?"...

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by fanaudical

I don't mean to "armchair QB" the decision, but my immediate thought when I first heard the story was "Who leaked the crew status of a major US asset and weapons platform while it's far from home?"...

Except the forces of everyone who is a threat is in the same situation.

I think his expression of displeasure was a measured response to something that had gone ignored in the face of pr pressures up the chain of command. But I don't know crap.

[RNajarian]

Originally Posted by fanaudical

I don't mean to "armchair QB" the decision, but my immediate thought when I first heard the story was "Who leaked the crew status of a major US asset and weapons platform while it's far from home?"...

The Captain did the right thing to up channel his concerns of the combat readiness of his command and his concern for his sailors health.

Whoever leaked this info to the press is a traitor/enemy to the United States, and the Media Outlets that published the info are also traitors/enemies to the US. Essentially providing vital intelligence to those who wish to harm us.

The vessel is vulnerable with 4/5th of the crew gone, no doubt the Navy will do everything to protect the TR.

I am a FIRM believer of the concept of “Need to Know.”

[DanielDudley]

They are going to have to think about sequestering crews for a few weeks before shipping out. That should be obvious by now, but you have to have a will to do things. If bad press fosters better procedure, it might not be the worst thing in the long run.

A few weeks ago, nobody really wanted to take this seriously. Well, it turns out we never have the time or money to do things right the first time, but there is always more time and money to do things over until we figure it out. Anyone who can read a paper knows what marching orders our military got. I expect that is going to change a little as we go along.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by RNajarian

The Captain did the right thing to up channel his concerns of the combat readiness of his command and his concern for his sailors health.

Whoever leaked this info to the press is a traitor/enemy to the United States, and the Media Outlets that published the info are also traitors/enemies to the US. Essentially providing vital intelligence to those who wish to harm us.

The vessel is vulnerable with 4/5th of the crew gone, no doubt the Navy will do everything to protect the TR.

I am a FIRM believer of the concept of “Need to Know.”

Yeah, well, I'm a firm believer in common sense. They need to handle this. We actually had time to handle this. At this point we need accountability and not more of the same. Go ahead and get mad a the messenger, but that isn't where the problem originated. It will get fixed now, and most likely someone who was just following orders will have to take the fall.

No one in their right mind is going to go after the US Navy this week.
But you boys have fun.

[Scott Douglas]

I'm a firm believer in 'Need to Know' too, but, sometimes when the upper echelon isn't listening to the cry for help, other steps are called for.
An aircraft carrier is a floating petri dish for this kind of virus. The 'Brass' probably didn't have the balls to call it into port to take the appropriate action.
I'll bet the Capt. was willing to 'fall on his sword' to save a lot of his sailors lives.

[pavulon]

I hope we're not headed for "interim" Naval ship captains.

[John Rogers]

All of you guys that served or even those who did not have to remember this is the "NEW" Navy where a CO can get relieved if their uniform isn't pressed right. Back in the 60s and 70s it was way different! When I was on the USS Bainbridge, CGN25, we only had about 80% or the nuclear engineers we were supposed to gave so all the engineering chiefs wrote a letter to the CNO and CINCPACFLT explaining the reactor safety issue and out CO signed it!

So what happened.....the number of engineers was lowered so much it looked like we were OVER MANNED! Bo one got relieved and in8 months or so we got more people. Could not ever do that today!

[RNajarian]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

Yeah, well, I'm a firm believer in common sense. They need to handle this. We actually had time to handle this. At this point we need accountability and not more of the same. Go ahead and get mad a the messenger, but that isn't where the problem originated. It will get fixed now, and most likely someone who was just following orders will have to take the fall.

No one in their right mind is going to go after the US Navy this week.
But you boys have fun.

. . . Loose Lips Sink Ships.

Operations Security (OPSEC) Is a process that identifies critical information to determine if friendly actions can be observed by enemy intelligence, determines if information obtained by adversaries could be interpreted to be useful to them, and then execute selected measures that illuminate or reduce adversary exultation a friendly critical information


Actually if you were going to go after an aircraft carrier THIS is the opportune time, chaos, uncertainty, etc etc ... but that is only my 25 years of uniformed service opinion.

[Wetwork]

It's my opinion, thinking strategically, every country out there is gonna be lying left and right about what's going on in their military. They'd have to.

Not counting the submarine service, folks are coming and going from military vessels and units all the time. Transfers, sent away for training, A-schools, C-schools, retirements, regular leave, official visitors, shore leave, liberty. The list is endless.

Not surprised at all in this modern age of tech the word slipped out. Cell-phones, interwebs, four to five thousand kids worried about this virus, the words gonna get out. Someone has to take the fall. I doubt just the CO is gonna be busted, I'd bet the whole command. Can't be telling the world we just got weaker. Every super-power out there is lying right now.-WW

[GaltJ]

He hit a sacrifice fly.

[svandamme]

He sent the wrong message to y'alls enemies
That y'alls protective postures was weakened!