What % is actually "shut down"? Some have beem hit hard, but "most" nationwide are still working....just differently imo.

You musta failed math in grade school...

I ain't got no friends left, having alienated everyone at one time or another on this Board...

The last time it was like this was in 1932....same percentage of people outa work.. Thx to Hitler starting WW2..is what pulled the US outa that funk....

What gets me to no end is that people are still scheming and angling to game the system to make a buck...that is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic so that they get a sunny spot on deck...

All that oil parked on the high seas should be tellin ya sumthin...those Chinese factories are dormant to a large extent...who the fk in gona be buying a big screen or smart phone when they can't make the rent or buy food????

The government is gona start payin the rent and giving food to people...so that they ARE NOT HOMELESS and HUNGRY....If they are homeless and hungry...there will be a REVOLUTION>>>and the current leadership will wind up like Marie Antoinette..with their heads in a basket..

Do people need to be betoch slapped to get that???? Are they so stupid as to not get it...Un fkin beleivable...denial is a powerful thing..

It's a logical extension of his opinion.
If it costs too much to keep people healthy now, then it obviously costs too much to care for them after they're sick (ICU average is $40k per day). The obvious solution if you are looking at your economics is to kill off the old and infirm and take their assets now.
I am beginning to understand the need for man killer AKs to protect myself and my family.

But to be fair, the logical extension of your opinion is that every life is worth an infinite amount, paid by the government, to be extended for every possible minute.

well put

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm

I don’t think it’s anyone’s premise that this kills only the elderly, 100%. I’ve not seen anyone posit that.
Deaths are highly skewed towards the elderly, though.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1587766453.jpg

How much time do we need to keep the seniors alive? Just until mid November.

Haven't seen any economic damage? You will. My tax and spend uncles mocked my dad back in the 60's and 70's because they said all the deficit spending the govt did hasn't hurt anything... Unfortunately eventually those "chickens came home to roost" and we are in a world of hurt due to the national deficit. You know all those cool $1200 check everyone gets and the billions given to rich universities? Who do you think is going to pay for that?

Actually the majority of Americans were against getting into the war. They wanted to keep their heads in the sand and hope Adolf would leave us alone. Pearl Harbor changed that.

You do realize that a large percentage of Italy's population is older...so that skews the whole fkin chart..

Yeah..so that don't change nothin..

The FED and it's printing press?

US isn’t too different. Around 80% of deaths are 65 or older.

Dude, switch to decaf.....

Yep. The 65s and older generation raised and paid for educations for the following generation. And some (but certainly not most) of our children think we are too expensive to protect. WE are not important when they need to make their car, and boat, and mortgage payments.

EDIT:
Or cell phone upgrade. :D

You left out cellphone upgrade...,

c'mon... at this rate we have over a year before we see TRIPLE-digit inflation.

Hey, on a completely unrelated topic, let's talk investment collectibles.

"too expensive to protect" ? You have money. Hire some body guards. I mean if you need others to protect you.

Seriously, what's all this shoving responsibility onto others to jump through safety hoops that are not likely gong to make one bit of difference in your safety? Are you just a control freak?

No. But you raise an interesting distinction between keeping sick individuals alive and preventing them from getting sick in the first place. In the Terri Schaivo case and many such individual cases where recovery was not deemed possible I think there should be limits to individual life support.
But welfare of the general population is different. We should not abandon an entire sector of the population because protecting them might be expensive. At $4000 a day for ICU care, NOT protecting them might be a lot more expensive. So are you going to go in and unplug ventilators because they are costing too much? Put on something like a parking meter that Medicare needs to keep feeding?
I think prevention is going to be the less expensive option unless you want to go with the pillow.

Nope. We should all keep a 9 under our pillows to protect us from those suffering from a few months of missing their boat payments.

Patrick, this virus has us all on edge, I get it. But what's with all the age warfare coming outta you lately? You're better than this.

I'm feeding my parents as I type this. They came over to my office and I had ordered a bunch of BBQ today for my crew. I imagine they'll watch TV upstairs and then Dad will be ready for bed. Had to sit down and take a break, hoping to read something interesting here. The biggest problem in life is how to care for your aging parents.

And the BS gets even deeper with time (a flatter epi curve is also one of longer duration).

Well, the death of your neighbor's colleague was attributed to a massive heart attack. She was positive for C19 postmortem, but was not symptomatic at the time of her death (she was working from home and talking with co-workers within hours of TOD). She had mild flu-like symptoms previously, but had since recovered. Of course, you would have to check sources other than CNN to get that info...

If you get the flu, recover, then die of a heart attack (or whatever) a weak/weeks later, does that mean you died from the flu? LOL, if so the CFR for the flu would be off the charts.

Though, I suppose I could see it if all "flu-related" death were monetized like "COVID-related" deaths are.

^ It's an election year. How the Hell else are they going to justify all the borrowed pork?

"Well, the death of your neighbor's colleague was attributed to a massive heart attack. She was positive for C19 postmortem, but was not symptomatic at the time of her death (she was working from home and talking with co-workers within hours of TOD). She had mild flu-like symptoms previously, but had since recovered. Of course, you would have to check sources other than CNN to get that info..."

My friend/neighbor knew her and is thoroughly familiar with what happened. They were colleagues and had meetings with others during January.

I did not learn about this from the CNN story... I learned about it from my neighbor/friend this afternoon. He told me that she had not "recovered" and was working from home because of it.

CNN had nothing to do with my conversation with my neighbor.

Perhaps you believe that there is some type of conspiracy involved with this pandemic and/or some type of conspiracy involved with the recent claim that she may be US death #1. Or that she is even deceased. That is up to you.

Perhaps no human being has died as a result of this somebeech virus and it is all a hoax.

Of course folks can believe what they want. Thankfully, no human being can take that from any other human being.

According to the CNN article, the implication is that she just keeled over dead. She told people she wasn't feeling well. Pretty slimey reporting. It says the family all thought she died of a heart attack. It said she was active and healthy. It says the death was corona-related.

So everything CNN said is true yet a completely different story, according to Eric, has emerged. Whoever wrote the article, if what Eric says is true, was clearly writing to fit an agenda. Call it propaganda, fake news, whatever you want. It was deceptive reporting.

Wait... propaganda? from CNN? no.....

So how exactly are they testing for CV on a months old corpse?

We hear how testing on live virus is full of false positives and false negatives.

Is there some solid postmortem test?

Or do phone records show that she once drive through Corona California?

Oh, and Mahler, CNN IS a propaganda machine. There is no question (or "conspiracy") about that.

They did think it was a heart attack. She was active and healthy. What is "Eric's" different story?

They confirmed Covid-19 infection after death.

What does any of this have to do with CNN? Are they the only ones that reported the story?

Again, I read the article at the link I provided only after speaking with my friend/neighbor. I had not seen him for 2-3 weeks... he is working really hard for his company that is trying to .... bring some new tech related to 5G to market.

Ooops, more for ya'll to talk about.

"So how exactly are they testing for CV on a months old corpse? "

Why don't you go and find out? make some calls, send some e-mails... call her family.

Buy some new tin foil.

How dare you. He's pulling the "human being" card, didn't you notice that?

"Oh, and Mahler, CNN IS a propaganda machine. There is no question (or "conspiracy") about that. "

Why would CNN or Fox News or similar be anything other than that? We are capitalists here in the US, and they want their businesses to be successful.

I don't watch CNN or Fox News much. The latter I watch sometimes for grins-- particularly Laura I.

I did not know her in college but we were there in Hanover at the same time and she made the local and campus (and maybe national?) news back then by doing something horrible, for which since has since apologized.

Sorry about your neighbor but you can do better than preaching to strangers on the Interweb.

What is the excess mortality rate for the county over baseline ? As an industry insider, I'm surprised that you haven't brought that up.

So did she die of a heart attack (Eric) or die from the 'Rona (CNN)?

That is the bare bodkin.

Yeah, my bad.

Mahler, really sorry for your loss ... of a maybe remembered face at your gym.

"So did she die of a heart attack (Eric) or die from the 'Rona (CNN)? "

Why don't you call the Santa Clara County Coroner? Or try to access records which might be public.

The one who wrote "heart attack" ?

I can't find the article but Oklahoma is going back and testing early pneumonia deaths for coronavirus. The state health dept said that they don't keep samples from all deaths in storage but they do have many they can use to go back and test at a later date,.

Probably the same in all states.

So CNN writes an article claiming a woman died of 'rona but I need to find the Coroner or do a search to learn the true cause of her death?

Do you see the irony here? Do you see how you've made my point better than I?