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dafischer 04-23-2020 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10836688)
In a hurry for your inheritance? I know, the longer they live the more of YOUR money they piss away on THEIR lives. Just smother them with a pillow if their lives are worthless to you. You’ll be farting in a new Porsche in no time.
That's totally uncalled for. I thought that you were better than that, but to make a remark like that about someone's opinion is just plain ****ty.

craigster59 04-23-2020 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 10836868)
...."Staycation"? There are millions of young, hard-working families with kids who have been struggling under enormous debt, week-to-week for years. Some of them were lucky enough or smart enough (doesn't matter which) where this economy finally seemed to be working for them instead of against them. Then this happens. If there ever was a metaphor that fit it would be that these people had the rug pulled out from under them.

What a bone-headed and callous thing to say.
This right here, thank you CB.

If anyone hadn't noticed, the rate of unemployment had been steadily dropping over the last 3 years. People were getting off EBT and entering the workforce. Actually making $$ and feeling good about themselves. This lockdown was a swift kick to the nether regions.

gregpark 04-23-2020 06:40 PM
Yup, but that was then and this is now. Thank you hysteria inducing media, and thank you gutless politicians, trying to be so politically correct and fearful of losing your cozy job. Welcome to the long term depression you helped create

speeder 04-23-2020 07:07 PM
I'm not going to take my precious couch time to read this whole thread but I read the OP and it's positing the false premise that only old/infirm people are in danger of dying from this virus. That is completely and demonstrably false. I have two young cousins who have had it, (very healthy 40-somethings who are runners, never smoked, fantastic genetics wrt health, etc.), they survived but their health is probably severely compromised for the rest of their stay on earth.

I don't pretend to have all the answers wrt the response to this pandemic, (unlike the OP), it's a nightmare. A dilemma. Extremely difficult decisions had to be made at some pretty high levels. I'm trusting the health experts over any politician who is not listening to the experts and definitely over random people on the internet.

speeder 04-23-2020 07:10 PM
I don't buy that the economy is permanently hosed, either. I personally lost out on a pretty lucrative opportunity because of this pandemic but I'd rather be alive to cook up another $$ making idea later, myself. :)

stealthn 04-23-2020 07:21 PM
Wow, Pelican just hit a new low...

93nav 04-23-2020 07:27 PM
Plus it is planned for (the European summer vacation time).

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 10836816)
But those 4-6 weeks bring in tourism dollars. Great for hotels and restaurants and fringe businesses. This lockdown put the nation "dead in the water".

93nav 04-23-2020 07:32 PM
I don't know anybody in this situation, but there has to be a lot of people/families who are going to have money problems soon, end of stay at home or not.


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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 10836909)
This right here, thank you CB.

If anyone hadn't noticed, the rate of unemployment had been steadily dropping over the last 3 years. People were getting off EBT and entering the workforce. Actually making $$ and feeling good about themselves. This lockdown was a swift kick to the nether regions.

island911 04-23-2020 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10836688)
In a hurry for your inheritance? I know, the longer they live the more of YOUR money they piss away on THEIR lives. Just smother them with a pillow if their lives are worthless to you. You’ll be farting in a new Porsche in no time.
I have enough Porsches (3) and you could not be more wrong about the rest.

BTW, Just because you can't calmly make a cogent retort doesn't mean you need to get defamatory. You could just STFU.

rusnak 04-23-2020 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 10836868)
"Lots of screaming and tantrums by chicken-little types, just zero evidence of this. I have not met anyone economically destroyed by the 6 week staycation yet, you?"

I stopped reading the post after I read this. The part I did read could be the most short-sighted, narrow-minded, self-absorbed declaration of ignorance I have ever read. Almost.

"Staycation"? There are millions of young, hard-working families with kids who have been struggling under enormous debt, week-to-week for years. Some of them were lucky enough or smart enough (doesn't matter which) where this economy finally seemed to be working for them instead of against them. Then this happens. If there ever was a metaphor that fit it would be that these people had the rug pulled out from under them.

What a bone-headed and callous thing to say.
Exactly. Suddenly CD sounds like a 12-year old on a monthly allowance. No point in wasting any time trying to reason with him.

1979-930 04-23-2020 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10836999)
I have two young cousins who have had it, (very healthy 40-somethings who are runners, never smoked, fantastic genetics wrt health, etc.), they survived but their health is probably severely compromised for the rest of their stay on earth..
This is your opinion with none of the medical backing you require.
All these predictions are assumptions. Even the experts change their predictions constantly.
The facts from Italy are that there is a .08% chance of dying below age 50. Let the producers go back to work so the burden can shelter in place.


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livi 04-23-2020 09:58 PM
I agree Island. The virus will flood the globe and by time reach every individual. A bit of hopeful data just came out here in Sweden though. Turns out that in a care home for elderly over 1/3 that tested positiv for the virus had none or very mild symptoms. This hence in a group of the predicted most vulnarable individuals.
Whether a vaccin will make a lot of difference remains to be seen of course.

island911 04-23-2020 10:15 PM
Thanks livi. That is an interesting bit of information. --over 1/3! Tough Swedes!

One of our 90+ year old residents, of the facility that had all of the US first deaths, survived. Do you have any thoughts on how this happens? Viral loading differences? Genetics? ...

NY65912 04-24-2020 05:50 AM
Don't worry, if you go on a ventilator you will be in an induced coma and slip into oblivion. Bad for the family, maybe not so bad for the patient. I was intubated for 24 hours after my cervical spine surgery and did not know a GD thing. The nurses told my wife to go home, because she said "the Macy's parade could walk thru this room and he would know a thing happened".

It seems the patient would not be aware of any distress and go quietly.

speeder 04-24-2020 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NY65912 (Post 10837343)
Don't worry, if you go on a ventilator you will be in an induced coma and slip into oblivion. Bad for the family, maybe not so bad for the patient. I was intubated for 24 hours after my cervical spine surgery and did not know a GD thing. The nurses told my wife to go home, because she said "the Macy's parade could walk thru this room and he would know a thing happened".

It seems the patient would not be aware of any distress and go quietly.
Once you go on a ventilator, it's pretty much over from what I've heard. You don't want to go on a ventilator. :(

Shaun @ Tru6 04-24-2020 10:27 AM
Death Panels making a comeback I see.

pmax 04-24-2020 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NY65912 (Post 10837343)
Don't worry, if you go on a ventilator you will be in an induced coma and slip into oblivion. Bad for the family, maybe not so bad for the patient. I was intubated for 24 hours after my cervical spine surgery and did not know a GD thing. The nurses told my wife to go home, because she said "the Macy's parade could walk thru this room and he would know a thing happened".

It seems the patient would not be aware of any distress and go quietly.
I said the same in response to someone who was fearful of a "suffocating" death.

Not a bad way to go really IMO, all juiced up. Better than the slow death by cancer for sure.

flipper35 04-24-2020 11:57 AM
Near me a grandmother, son and grandson are all now short term citizens of this world from the virus.

Here in rural America we have not been hit as hard financially as other parts. I am not sure mostly staying at home has made too much difference, but why take the chance?

Mahler9th 04-24-2020 12:29 PM
First death in the US we know of so far:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/us/california-woman-first-coronavirus-death/index.html

Not fake news. Not old or infirm. Colleague of my neighbor.

Iciclehead 04-24-2020 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 10836807)
Well since roughly 1/2 of Europe closes up shop EVERY SUMMER for 4-6 weeks and none of those businesses are destroyed or even slightly damaged, I am having a really hard time believing that businesses in the greatest economic power on earth will whimper and die out because they are so frail and weak that that they cannot survive one season of same.

A lot of folks are selling, I'm not buying it at all. I think our American businesses are far more effectively managed than that. I think the "Economy is destroyed" crowd are a bunch of Chicken-Little-sky-is-falling losers.

Prove me wrong.
Speaking as a Dutchman.....when have you ever seen a 4-6 week shutdown of the country?

Has never happened in my lifetime, but I am only 64....

Dennis


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