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kevingross 05-08-2020 01:43 PM

If you can get the planet Mercury between you and the trooper, yeah, that should work.

stevej37 05-08-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Discseven (Post 10848565)
Am not implying mercury works to foil radar or doesn't. Was questioning if there was any metallurgical basis for it working. To put it nonscientifically, could be mercury has some property that is "interesting" to radar---even in a small amount---and at same time disruptive to the calculations radar makes.

What?? Mercury does have some properties that are interesting to radar...as do all elements.

stevej37 05-08-2020 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kevingross (Post 10857244)
If you can get the planet Mercury between you and the trooper, yeah, that should work.

Mercury is one 'hot-hot' place. ;)

john walker's workshop 05-08-2020 02:00 PM

I had a stealth 49 cadillac convertible with no flat reflective surfaces. Went through lots of radar traps in the 10 years it was my daily and never got popped. Like to think it was the curvy body, but maybe it was soo cool looking, they gave me a pass.

masraum 05-08-2020 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DonNewton (Post 10847803)
So the mercury changes the dynamics of a 3000# car? Short answer: NO.

If the vial was 2'x6' and mounted to the grill of the car, then why not?

masraum 05-08-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IROC (Post 10848003)
We have about 420 gallons (43,000 lbs) at work if you'd like to try it out. ;)

Do you have a diving board too?

I hear it's great for soaking in like a hot tub. Us humans sink like a rock in the stuff!

pmax 05-08-2020 03:25 PM

Another thread bites the dust.

LEAKYSEALS951 05-08-2020 03:29 PM

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stevej37 05-08-2020 03:51 PM

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pwd72s 05-08-2020 04:44 PM

Love my V-1...

Eric Coffey 05-08-2020 04:50 PM

Yes, Mercury can help you jam and spoof radar. Just give them a call/email: https://www.mrcy.com/drfm-technology/

Probably `spensive tho... :cool:

RKDinOKC 05-08-2020 05:26 PM

Saw a car with various colors of flat black paint and flat gray primer. Obviously mid-repaint. Asked owner curious as to what color he was going to paint it. He said it was painted now, it's stealth.

Drbraunsr 05-08-2020 08:27 PM

Not sure if it's a fixit ticket in CA. My 3rd son (Sgt of a local LA dept) heard I was thinking of a jammer and he told me it was a felony (tampering with an officer's equipment).
He was really serious about it.
I would suggest some research before buying and using...

unclebilly 05-08-2020 09:04 PM

My first car was a Mercury... it was plenty able to be detected by radar...

svandamme 05-09-2020 03:35 AM

It's true.. each F22 and F117 has a vial of mercury dangling in front of the hud to confuse enemy SAMs and Radar homing AA missiles..

It's top secret, and they hide the vial when parked at airshows...


That's actually why they banned the use of mercury
1 to get the mercury for themselves
2 to avoid rooskies from getting it

911_Dude 05-09-2020 05:11 AM

The mercury trick has to work at least as well as turbo twister exhaust tips.

RNajarian 05-09-2020 06:12 AM

All jokes aside . . .

It does (or should) bring up the conversation the effects various surfaces have on the reflectivity of radar against a flat surface. Our stealth aircraft are coated with certain composites that absorb radar, thereby decreasing the Radar signature. The same profile not coated would obviously have a larger signature.

Obviously a solid metal will have a noticeable signature, I wonder what the signature would be on a liquid metal in a controlled environment? Does it absorb the radar, reflect, or scatter?

Once Karl is finished with his latest project I bet the tackles this one.

I look forward to the results.

GH85Carrera 05-09-2020 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RNajarian (Post 10857947)
All jokes aside . . .

It does (or should) bring up the conversation the effects various surfaces have on the reflectivity of radar against a flat surface. Our stealth aircraft are coated with certain composites that absorb radar, thereby decreasing the Radar signature. The same profile not coated would obviously have a larger signature.

Obviously a solid metal will have a noticeable signature, I wonder what the signature would be on a liquid metal in a controlled environment? Does it absorb the radar, reflect, or scatter?

Once Karl is finished with his latest project I bet the tackles this one.

I look forward to the results.

The materials do absorb a little of the RADAR, but they are designed to scatter the reflection away from the radar unit. A liquid metal that is applied to any surface will be blown off the aircraft long before it get up to cruise speed.

As mentioned in an earlier post, if it had a remote possibility of working the folks at DARPA and then the military would be all over it. Besides the fact that mercury is a deadly metal for the pilot, mechanic and the hangar much less the overall environment. It is just a silly mental exercise.

RNajarian 05-09-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10857975)
The materials do absorb a little of the RADAR, but they are designed to scatter the reflection away from the radar unit. A liquid metal that is applied to any surface will be blown off the aircraft long before it get up to cruise speed.

As mentioned in an earlier post, if it had a remote possibility of working the folks at DARPA and then the military would be all over it. Besides the fact that mercury is a deadly metal for the pilot, mechanic and the hangar much less the overall environment. It is just a silly mental exercise.

You misunderstood my post. I’ve flown quite a bit in my time and understand the Science of aerodynamics aircraft aircraft materials.

I am not suggesting coating an aircraft with mercury, merely curious in a controlled lab environment how different materials affect radar waves which I believe was Karl’s original question.


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