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tubwreck 05-02-2020 08:19 AM

Thoughtful reopening analysis
 
Seventy dense pages, but seems to cover the territory pretty well...

http://www.mhtc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/MHTC-COVID-19-Briefing-5.1.20.pdf

RWebb 05-03-2020 01:24 PM

bump

RSBob 05-03-2020 08:34 PM

Impressive compilation of data, analysis and strategy.

Not surprising I hear nothing but crickets from our more esteemed colleagues.

island911 05-03-2020 09:08 PM

What's to say?

Spain handed out 10M masks? that seems smart.

MA has over 3k deaths? Is that more than Sweden? (Shaun?)

tubwreck 05-05-2020 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10850688)

MA has over 3k deaths? Is that more than Sweden? (Shaun?)

Yes. Sweden 2700, Massachusetts 4200.

legion 05-05-2020 05:20 PM

Nothing should have ever been shut down.

LWJ 05-05-2020 08:48 PM

Fascinating. Oregon has tested at 5% positive fairly consistently. We seem to be somewhat in control.

I can't get Past the idea of a huge number of a symptomatic carriers. It just seems to fit.

Numbers don't show it.

Chocaholic 05-06-2020 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 10853275)
Nothing should have ever been shut down.

Monday morning quarterback. Please show where you posted that two months ago. :rolleyes:

legion 05-06-2020 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LWJ (Post 10853490)
Fascinating. Oregon has tested at 5% positive fairly consistently. We seem to be somewhat in control.

I can't get Past the idea of a huge number of a symptomatic carriers. It just seems to fit.

Numbers don't show it.

If most of the people that get this show no symptoms, it makes this virus less severe than a common cold. We shut down the country over that?

Jay Auskin 05-06-2020 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 10853634)
If most of the people that get this show no symptoms, it makes this virus less severe than a common cold. We shut down the country over that?

The report reiterates it has a high infection rate that can (and did) overwhelm hospitals. Because of this, I don't understand this comment?

Is your comment the usual, "What's right for Chicago, isn't necessarily right for Illinois"? Having lived in Chicago for 39 years, I get it. But, there are a lot of big cities in the USA, and they needed to be shut down.

legion 05-06-2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Auskin (Post 10853642)
The report reiterates it has a high infection rate that can (and did) overwhelm hospitals. Because of this, I don't understand this comment?

Is your comment the usual, "What's right for Chicago, isn't necessarily right for Illinois"? Having lived in Chicago for 39 years, I get it. But, there are a lot of big cities in the USA, and they needed to be shut down.

Then shut down the big cities that actually have problems and leave the rest of us alone.

nota 05-06-2020 08:29 AM

50 kinds of cv-19 mutations/types or more
different euro and china cv-19 bugs types reported
NOBODY KNOWS which kill or do nothing why or how or spred rates
or if there is lasting emunity even to the same strain or not

type O- blood does better but no clue why
women do better then men but no clue why

sure lets open up without massive testing NOW

Tobra 05-06-2020 09:32 AM

If it mattered whether we shut everything down or not, California would be at least as bad as New York.

When did they finally shut down Disneyland, middle of March maybe? Where are all the dead people that got infected there? Where are all the people that went to sporting events in February and March that got sick?

I think that a different strain of this virus hit the East coast than what hit the West coast, but that is just a guess.

RWebb 05-06-2020 01:01 PM

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wdfifteen 05-06-2020 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 10853977)

I think that a different strain of this virus hit the East coast than what hit the West coast, but that is just a guess.

Given the vastly different reports of how it behaves the possibility of different strains should definitely be considered.

Shaun @ Tru6 05-06-2020 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 10853734)
Then shut down the big cities that actually have problems and leave the rest of us alone.

As long as you are OK using that model with federal taxes and federal funding. States with big cities pay more in taxes to the federal government than they get back in federal funding. Basically, blue states allow red states to exist. We can definitely leave you all alone.

wdfifteen 05-06-2020 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 10853734)
Then shut down the big cities that actually have problems and leave the rest of us alone.

Knowing what we know now, that might not be such a bad idea. I do think dividing the country by state when the states themselves are so diverse is a bad idea. The Appleknockers down in Cobden could still be working and paying taxes to support Illinois while it fights with the virus in Chicago. I'm not sure if a governor can subdivide it's state in that way though.

HardDrive 05-06-2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 10853596)
Monday morning quarterback. Please show where you posted that two months ago. :rolleyes:

^This.

Yes, because everyone in February knew exactly how this was going to turn out. Oh please....

legion 05-06-2020 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10854551)
As long as you are OK using that model with federal taxes and federal funding. States with big cities pay more in taxes to the federal government than they get back in federal funding. Basically, blue states allow red states to exist. We can definitely leave you all alone.

My rights to free assembly, free exercise of religion, and my ability to freely engage in commerce have been deprived without due process. There is at least a plausible argument that a handful of cities in the country are in a state of emergency. The rest of the country, not at all.

Tobra 05-06-2020 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10854551)
As long as you are OK using that model with federal taxes and federal funding. States with big cities pay more in taxes to the federal government than they get back in federal funding. Basically, blue states allow red states to exist. We can definitely leave you all alone.

False equivalency


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