Agreed, especially if you aren’t in a hurry to sell. Cars on BaT regularly sell for more than market.

I’m another one in the camp of if you don’t drive it and love it, then sell it. If you’re holding out for the 996 to go up in value you may be holding out for a while.

Totally agree. Prices won’t be if ever going up on these too soon.

You call that a mistake ? I once had my bro' in law check a car that was across the country from me (check the VIN!!), bought it, found out the engine was crap with a putrefied rat all over the cooling fins, had the engine repaired at great costs, and when I finally took delivery, found out the car had 3 VIN, one on the title (clerical error), one on the nose of car, another one on the rear. (splice job).. Took a year of back and forth with DMVs, agencies, police checks, chassis work, to get proper ownership and I was so mad at me/it that I ended up selling it for parts at 40% of investment... Now that was a mistake... Also selling my 356C for $15K or my 356A for 25K mid 2000s. Those were huge mistakes... You got yourself a decent car (nicest of 996s really) you will not lose much on (5K minus what can be considered enjoyment and wear and tear), and meantime you can still drive it... Not a huge mistake...I call it cheap education ! Mine was more costly !

Whoa, I guess so. Feeling much better. :)

I've had a C4S for several years now and put about 10k on it going from 93k to 103k with some preventative maintenance done by me and one window regulator done by a shop. I get what you are saying although I'll keep mine until my long awaited 914 project is done. At that point I might sell it as my daily drive is down to under 5 miles on crap city roads. It's been fairly reliable. It sounds like your car being a non silver/gray and the condition might do well on BAT. I could see you getting close to $30k if not a bit more if it is in super nice condition and detailed well with professional looking photos. I've made much worse mistakes than you are talking about :-) Several girlfriends come to mind and a couple of 911s sold prior to the market rise a few years ago.

I know a lot of people that get a new car every 2 years. That's a lot more money out the window without them even blinking ...

If it has done its job, get rid of it. To me it feels great to see the new owner drive off with something you don't need anymore, even if you sell it at a loss.

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I couldn’t do the drive for two years and sell. I think that works best when you buy and you don’t fix anything because most folks have no idea what these cost to fix.
I do agree with the satisfaction of the sell and watching a happy customer. Sold my 00 Box S last year and the guy could not have been happier. He paid a little extra because of my enthusiasm for the car. I took a 5k bath on that one but I drove for 4 years and did some driving. I thought with the 4S, I would have for a real long time and told my wife that. She said you better. Imo, it is just a stunning car to look at and the red just added to it. I loved the extra weight up front too. Just feels so planted. Unfortunately my driving situation just doesn’t go well with this car. It’s not the car, it’s the driver. Maybe I can find someone with in a similar situation. I saw replica speedster, the one James dean died in yesterday. It was a Beck. It’s probably slow as dirt. Maybe something like that mike work for me. Engaging and probably a VW underneath. Easy and cheap to work on. Anyone know anything about these. The car was at a dealership. The guy might have an easier time selling the 4S. Who knows..

I can only stand dealing with care salesmen once a decade

Zeke gave you he best advice.

It’s just a good thing that it’s not a Guards Red 996 turbo or I’d be taking over your mistake right about now. That’s a car w a big old target on it for me. The C4S, not so much.

There is a mathematical equation around somewhere that basically determines the cost of something, (not just in $$), vs. how much happiness it brings into your life, (or misery), you draw a line and add them up or divide them or something and there is your answer.

It really sounds like you’ve already done that and the answer is plain as day. There are no absolute right or wrong answers to it, it’s a completely personal thing. I’ve given up trying to understand what other people want in life but if they tell me, then I know. :)

Oh yeah, one more thing; you are not “losing 5k” if you sell it for what you paid. People rarely recover their repair costs on anything and all vehicles have ownership costs. If you sell for what you paid, you’re ahead of 99%+ of all vehicle ownership experiences in history.

Thank god I didn’t get a turbo, the issue would doubled. Thanks everyone. You have all helped a lot. Moving on is the way to go.

320hp is 120hp too much.
Time for you to buy a truck!

Turbo would be an easier sale.

And about exactly twice as much fun to drive, possibly making the whole dilemma moot. :)

I’ve driven a 996 C4S and while it’s a great looking car, it was way too heavy feeling and slow for me.

Two hundred horsepower does not even count as "power", Wood; that anemic figure is putt-putt territory, bro!

That is true and it's the putt-putt that makes 200 hp so much fun. Everyone has their own thing. I prefer lightweight and gearing for maximum fun on public roads where you can drive your car at 8/10s vs. a TT at 5/10. I prefer my lightened M491 with headers and a 7:31 '75 box to my friends 01 TT. His car is super fast, and fun but still the fastest Camry on the planet at the end of the day. My 73 weighing in at 2174 lb with a 3.2 w/ headers is pure sex while driving on public roads.

I imagine a TT to be much more fun on the track. And having driven my friend's car, I get why people like them. Just another flavor of ice cream. They are pretty much all good, just get what you want.

Agree 100% I sold a GT3 after realizing there was no way to enjoy it on the street legally. Even country roads, power band was so wide there was really no reason to downshift for corners.

Perhaps today, with all the high HP cars at the track. My 'stock' '71T (2.2l) provided alot of enjoyment in the 90's and early 2000's, passing cars worth 5x as much and more that twice the HP.

Anyone who thinks that a 996tt is a fast Camry has no understanding of or respect for the engineers who work for Porsche in Stuttgart or the racing heritage of the company. The 996tt was possibly the ultimate evolution of 959 technology in a street car, it walks on a 993tt, which was a great car. Porsche never goes backwards wrt performance but the latest cars do not appeal to my taste in sports cars.

The 996tt is also a Grand Touring street car, not a track weapon. I’m kind of surprised at how little posters on a supposed Porsche forum understand the various models. I’ve driven cross-country 3 times already this spring, (CA. to the Midwest), and while having hours to let my mind wander, I came to the conclusion that a stock 996tt w 6-speed manual would be the ultimate road trip car. Comfort, safety, AWD, impressive acceleration @ 70mph...did I mention fun? A modified old 911 would get tiresome in less than 2 hours and by then, your balls would be welded to the seat in any summer climate in North America.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but at least understand the cars.

Lol!

How this post has taken a turn for the worse. From what should I do, to my car is fat and slow, to defending the mighty 996TT. Someone certainly pinched a nerve there. Should have been me, my beloved car was called fat and slow. That's just cruel car stuff right there. Still having a tough time with this. :)

Anyhow, I've learned a lot. As mentioned in my earlier post, a lot of you guys are super knowledgeable. I appreciate it.

I don’t always agree with Denis, but totally agree that the 996TT is perhaps the ultimate modern Porsche daily driver and road trip car. Still old enough to be a little raw, bulletproof Mezger engine, modern amenities but not the nanny overkill of new cars, fun to drive, and eye wateringly fast. Oh yeah and it can do it in all four seasons.

DWBOX that’s not taking anything away from your car, it’s got the looks and still more than enough HP to get yourself in trouble. It’s also a good amount less money than a 996TT.

If you had spent a little more time here before asking about your 'dilemma', you would have sensed the insensitivity of this crowd. There have been and always will be snarky comments here.

Sounds like you're more of less following my advice to not hurry up the selling process. You already hurried up on this car once.

Yes, Virginia, there is a whale out there and he sees only red. And you'll come out in green.

LOL...PPOT has jumped the snark!

....but we still watch :D

I've owned both. Handling wise there's not much difference imo.
I still own a TT.

TBH the TT stock is kinda tame.
Nothing happens unless you rev it over 4k and my A8 felt as quick.
One chip upgrade later and it's a lot more fun.

Definitely an ass for every seat, personal preference deal. Personally, an engine with only 200hp does nothing for me, regardless of the car it is in. For a machine to get my interest, it needs to have "ohhhhh shiiiit" acceleration, for starters, plus it needs a big ass tail!

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say. People are very sensitive so I should dial down my hatefilled rhetoric I guess.



There it is. My perfect daily driver is a 328i. My perfect road trip car is a W124 E320 wagon, or maybe it's a 1969 911E. 54 hours in a 69 E

See above about asses. :D

That said, I daily drive my M491 with a fixed back bucket. That should cause an uproar.

And I've driven it from NC to Boston in 12 hours, pretty fresh afterwards. See again asses.

If everybody liked the same thing we’d all drive a Camry. I don’t want to live in that world....

Also worthy of mention is the minor detail that for the current market value of a 1969 911E or an M491 you could pick up a 996TT and C4S with cash to spare.

and have less fun

Pal had an 03 C4S. Then an 08 GT3RS then a 13 Cup Car. Raced the last two. $$$

Now races a spec Miata.

Never heard him b*tch about lack of power. I think he is having more fun.

This is the internet, folks...everyone is just tossing out opinions. People who know nothing get exactly the same amount of bandwidth as people who have owned them all for 5 decades. I would not take any of it personally but this thread was certainly soliciting opinions about a Porsche ownership dilemma.

My opinion is that you can’t really be over the “fast car” experience until you’ve owned one, but to each his own. :) One man’s rocket is another man’s slug, I guess. Keep the car, sell it, slam it on airbags and put 22s on it...it’s all up to you. Sounds like a first world problem, which we specialize in here. :)

Yeah, they respond well to tuning. A chip and exhaust makes them really get with the program. :cool:

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The widebody 996s are beautiful cars. There can’t be that many guards red ones around. I feel like I’ve only ever seen one red 996 in a city full of 911s. There’s gotta be another buyer itching for that combo somewhere.

I think these cars’ popularity is definitely in the rise, you just don’t see it in the pelican arena, which is really more air-cooled centric. Have your son make an instagram page for it and start posting pretty pictures of the car to get it some attention.




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I have always been amazed at the level of sensitivity, and often lack of humor, of many of the Pelican membership (going way back to the level of angst caused, and subsequent bannings, by simple jokes and chain yanks tossed about in the Tech forum).

I wonder if this is unique to vintage Porsche guys; maybe triggered by the fact that many of them drive really slow cars that need lots of poetic commentary about how they are still awesome machines despite being snails?!?!

And then there is the, slow is the new fast, and I'm not a car guy anymore because I've matured and become soooo sophisticated, set; those knitting party bisches are ready to get their feelings hurt at a moments notice! :D

You are a funny man, Ronnie. :)

I have a similar issue. Not a porsche, but I do have a porsche rotting in storage.

Bought a 1971 Alfa Spider. Wonderful car. All of about 80hp on a good day. Fixed a bunch of stuff and drove it for a bit. It comes out of the garage about once every two years. I have probably put 2k miles on it in the ten years I have owned it. Bought it originally for vintage racing, but I am too tall with a helmet to race the car without a rollcage that won't allow for the soft top.

But my DD only racks up about 2k a year, so ymmv.

Would love to sell it, but not to a novice. You need to know what you are getting into buying a vintage Alfa. Not nice enough for BAT, remember vintage racing.

Now, if anyone wants a 944S2 send me a pm. Or a 81 CJ7 and if you are a sucker, you can get the alfa....

Sell it on https://www.alfabb.com/

There were some dark passages mixed in with those simple jokes.

I'm lucky I was never banned.

I don't think you have a mean bone in your body, Bob.

It seems the more a thread drags on here the more nasty it gets. It's they way with PPOT, or maybe with human nature in general. Take the positive from what is here and don't pay any attention to the naysayers.