Then it's the color of the boat that's attracting him.

Crows... Bah.
I have to put up with bats every spring and summer night. They like to come into my front entryway at night and hang on the walls... It's like a stone alcove so they think it's sanctuary.

Used to think I had a mouse problem with droppings. Tried all kinds of mouse traps. Then one night I went out and looked up...

I wondered about that. It’s mostly white.

Are there blue or red stripes on the boat?

Our local crows love blue.

I think this has little to do with the pandemic. Cool pics.

I like the fake dead crow and the motion activated noise machine posts.

That is the West Nile Virus pandemic

I know crows are a pain in the azz. Sorry. I am irrationally attracted to them. Love the attitude. The verve. Them birds got big ballz.

Had to say it.

No. Go to the link I sent. It is a hunting season. You can go hunt them and make crow pot pie! Just like you can hunt canvasback ducks, or snipe, or merganser.

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I don't even want to know how you know those things exist.

Crow season is Nov 1 - Feb of the following year here with no limits on the number you can harvest, if you were so inclined.

in PA crow season is 7/3 through 4/11 no bag limit, but hunting is limited to Fri-Sun.

reread the OP - no way he can claim hunting - unless he drags his sail boat somewhere

I'm glad this thread got started tho - I now have a colleague and some youngun's working on this - looks like US FWS is up to its usual illegal tricks again...

You might as well talk to them about all the migratory game birds then.

LOL, i did exactly the same thing.
They nested in a huge tree next to our house, all summer, they would keep you awake..
Go out, 3 12 gauge side by side and super posess..
one at a time, blamblam , next blamblam, next blam blam

and then it rained dead birds..
My cat was all depressed after that, sing all them dead starlings..it defied his hunter honor to see such massacre...

Make sure the crow that is bothering you is not Randall Flagg, you do not want to mess with him.

Similar story my Dad told when we lived in Canada. Crows had taken over a neighborhood tree making lots of noise and mess. After a week or so he and his hunting buddy walked over one afternoon with their shotguns and the birds fly off. So they walk back to the house to sit and wait. The birds returned quickly so they walk back out with guns and again the birds fly away. So they leave their shotguns leaned up against the tree and walk back to the house. The birds returned, they again approached the tree w/o guns and the birds stayed. Boom boom boom, it's raining crows.

My home has been under the flight path from a nesting grounds to daytime sites - I'm talking many thousands (if not more) birds. It changes with the season and weather patterns but I have thought about taking some out but also heard stories that they will target you/house if you mess with them.

[QUOTE=911boost;10916782]Make sure the crow that is bothering you is not Randall Flagg, you do not want to mess with him.[/QUOTE
Trashy wont be far behind

due to thread drift, I offer this:

https://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-city-life/2017/05/the-secret-life-of-urban-crows

her doctoral advisor was a grad. student of Russ Balda (who got nabbed by FWS for lack of a federal permit to - guess what? - "take" jays during his studies)

Balda was at No. Az. univ. and his lab may still have a web page - he worked out all the spatial memory on jay's stuff (and yes they are exceptional at locating where they buried nuts/acorns; also at robbing squirrels which they watch bury them)

If it is legal to discharge a firearm, it is legal to hunt. Many of us have already cautioned him on checking his state law regarding the hunting of crows, and on checking his local law regarding the discharge of a firearm.

Assuming his particular state has a season for crows, and assuming he can lawfully discharge a firearm wherever it is he keeps his boat, then, yes, he can "hunt" those crows right there, without having to "drag his sail boat somewhere".

Those circumstances would absolutely allow "sport hunting" of the offending crows. Beyond that, if allowed in his state, he can also shoot them under "depredation" rules. If that is legal in his state, he may be able to both discharge a firearm where it would otherwise be prohibited, and shoot these crows with no license of any kind.

Here in Washington, for example, we can legally shoot "nuisance wildlife" in any city, in any suburban neighborhood, or anywhere else the discharge of firearms is normally prohibited. I've done so myself many times - we have a very healthy coyote and raccoon population in the surrounding rural areas, and they all too often cause trouble in our neighborhood. My good buddy's one year old Golden Retriever, for example, got killed by raccoons one night that were trying to get at his chickens. His five kids were absolutely devastated, understandably so.

He's not a "gun guy" or hunter of any kind, but he knows I am. So we sat up every night for damn near three weeks on his second floor back deck, him with a spotlight and me with a rifle. A really loud rifle - .30-'06 (yeah, a bit much, but it is all I own that has a scope on it, so it works at night). I killed eight raccoons over the course of the first two weeks, and only kept up the vigil to make sure there were no more. Right here in suburbia.

Yes, the cops came every single time. By the time they got there, we always had a raccoon to show them. All we did was explain "why", and each and every one of them left without a fuss. As a matter of fact, they were all beyond sympathetic. And, of course, the neighbors knew what we were doing and why, it was always someone outside of our 'hood who must have called. .30-'06's do make some noise...

No one went to prison. No one had to hire a lawyer to stay out of prison. It was never any trouble whatsoever. Not then, nor on many other occasions when I've shot coyotes and raccoons. Hell, Animal Control sometimes disposes of them for us. Nice guys...

totally irrelevant to the MBTA - you should know that

Absolutely relevant to shooting nuisance crows. You should know that.

That must have been hilarious. I hate starlings.

crows fall under the MBTA - mammals don't

the OP will not be able to use hunting or depredation exceptions to protect his sailboat

and... thx to this thread some folks are going to slam US FWS for not following NEPA in in granting those exception orders left & right

should be fun

If I was the inscrutable acronym police I would bust your ass so fast....

Now you are just going around in circles, Randy, repeating the same ignorant, already disproven tripe. Several of us have cleared this up for you already, providing examples of our respective states' laws. MBTA allows for both sport hunting and "nuisance wildlife" control when administered by the states. That is not difficult to understand. For most of us, anyway.

We have a family of crows who nest in a pine tree in our yard. Our dog will bark at ducks and geese which may be on the river or flying by. She is used to the crows and pays no attention to them, as a rule. The other day I had mowed hay in a field in front of the house and two of the crows flew in to hunt for mice. The dog noticed the birds and started barking and running to chase them away. The crows took flight but turned to pass a few feet over the dog. They didn't swoop down or attack, they just let the dog know who they were. The dog returned to the patio. The crows returned to their hunt.

Best
Les

... under certain conditions and by following certain procedures

and it now appears that US FWS is not following them

I know you'd rather argue than believe an attorney who specializes in exactly this type of situation, so why not ask Justice Gorsuch?

He just wrote extensively on this topic.

The OP has no way to legally shoot crows near his sail boat. You can go around in circles with that if you want.

Sorry Randy, but you have demonstrated a marked inability to understand very simple state game regulations as presented by several of us. And don't puff your chest out and give me this "I'm a lawyer" nonsense - it is clear you do not understand some aspects of the very law in which you claim to "specialize". I suggest you educate yourself before you make a fool of yourself somewhere other than on a car forum.

Georgia regs.

Migratory Birds Seasons | Georgia Hunting Seasons & Regulations – 2019 | eRegulations

I bet Randy thinks you can't hunt ducks or geese from a boat (or at all since they are regulated by the migratory bird treaty act).

Washington State small game seasons, including crows:

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/summary-of-seasons/small-game

Crow: Daily bag limit: none
Season dates: Statewide: Sept. 1 - Dec. 31
Crows in the act of depredation may be taken at any time.

I guess it takes an "attorney" who "specializes" in this area of law to not understand such simple rules.

I think Mike (OP) is in GA.

Jeff - I am surprised that you think something is legal just because a govt. agency does it.

Also suggest you reread the OP.

Here is what I think, based on years of research and having trained every anti-crow sleuth in this country and most of Mexico:

Nothing works.

https://www.growgardener.com/how-to-keep-crows-away/

https://www.stoppestinfo.com/402-how-to-get-rid-of-crows.html

The growers in Eastern Washington have tried everything.

For your conundrum, try the motion activated sprinkler.

What I wouldn't do is shoot them. If you are on a lake in Georgia, there will be crow lovers three docks over who will be all RWebb up in your business. Trust me.

Who knew Charlie Kelly was on Pelican?




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And I'm surprised you are so completely ignorant regarding what you claim to be your specialty. Maybe this will help. From California, one of the better, more concise explanations of the relationship between state game law and federal law. Note that they list, specifically, the federal law that allows the taking of crows under both hunting and depredation rules:

https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=165441&inline

American Crow Regulations; a synopsis:

Under federal laws and regulations, crows are a migratory bird but not a migratory game bird. Existing federal regulations allow the take of crows (consistent with State regulations) under both hunting and depredation order regulations.

Under state laws and regulations, crows are not defined as migratory game birds, but as nongame birds. Take under state regulations is allowed under both hunting and depredation and nuisance provisions.

Under the State hunting regulations, a license is required, a season is established, methods of take are stipulated. Shooting hours are 1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset. Only shotguns, falconry and archery equipment may be used; electronic calls may be used.

(Although the crow regulations are published with the upland bird regulations, since they are not upland game birds, but nongame birds, you cannot use the upland game bird shooting hours regulations, but must go back to the Fish and Game Code, Section 3000, for general shooting hours for birds and mammals.)

Under State depredation regulations, only the landowner or tenants or an others authorized in writing may take crows at any time and in any number to eliminate depredation, health hazard or nuisance. Shotguns, archery and falconry, and toxicants under additional regulations, may be used.

Selected laws and regulations related to American Crows
Migratory Bird Treaty Act
Migratory bird defined in § 50CFR10.13 Includes American Crow
Migratory game bird defined in § 50CFR20.11 does not include Corvidae (crows)

Federal hunting regulations for crows are defined in § 50CFR20.133:

§ 20.133 Hunting regulations for crows.
(a) Crows may be taken, possessed, transported, exported, or imported, only in accordance with such laws or regulations as may be prescribed by a State pursuant to this section.
(b) Except in the State of Hawaii, where no crows shall be taken, States may by statute or regulation prescribe a hunting season for crows. Such State statutes or regulations may set forth the method of taking, the bag and possession limits, the dates and duration of the hunting season, and such other regulations as may be deemed appropriate, subject to the following limitations for each State:
(1) Crows shall not be hunted from aircraft;
(2) The hunting season or seasons on crows shall not exceed a total of 124 days during a calendar year; (3) Hunting shall not be permitted during the peak crow nesting period within a State; and
(4) Crows may only be taken by firearms, bow and arrow, and falconry.

Federal depredation order for crows as defined in § 50CFR21.43:

§ 21.43 Depredation order for blackbirds, cowbirds, grackles, crows and magpies.
A Federal permit shall not be required to control yellow-headed redwinged, rusty, and Brewer’s blackbirds, cowbirds, all grackles, crows, and magpies, when found committing or about to commit depredations upon ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in such numbers and manner as to constitute a health hazard or other nuisance: Provided:
(a) That none of the birds killed pursuant to this section, nor their plumage, shall be sold or offered for sale, but may be possessed, transported, and otherwise disposed of or utilized.
(b) That any person exercising any of the privileges granted by this section shall permit at all reasonable times including during actual operations, any Federal or State game or deputy game agent, warden, protector, or other game law enforcement officer free and unrestricted access over the premises on which such operations have been or are being conducted; and shall furnish promptly to such officer whatever information he may require, concerning said operations.
(c) That nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize the killing of such birds contrary to any State laws or regulations; and that none of the privileges granted under this section shall be exercised unless the person possesses whatever permit as may be required for such activities by the State concerned.
[39 FR 1178, Jan. 4, 1974, as amended at 54 FR 47525, Nov. 15, 1989]

This is child's play Randy, it really is. You know, ignorance is forgivable if one is willing to learn. The brand of stubborn, intractable ignorance that you are displaying here is almost painful to watch. Put the shovel down, Randy - you are well past making a fool of yourself.

How the hell can ya eat crow if you're not allowed to kill them first :D

Jeff, I don't think you understand what I have said. I'll number these:

1. The OP is worried about crow crap on his docked sail boat.

2. Exceptions allowed (if properly promulgated) under the MBTA are indeed "hunting and depredation order regulations" as you posted and as I cited some time ago.

2a. I see no way that hunting will apply as it is unlikely to be allowed anywhere near a public boat dock.

2b. He would have a very hard time fitting into a depredation exception. I posted the CFRs for this earlier - they are quite limited.

Now, what exactly do you disagree with? And, how do you propose that the OP legally shoot the crows?


Your personal attacks are not appreciated. I thought you had gone past that.

In GA there are three lakes with dock restrictions. If he is not on one of those lakes he can take as many crow during the season as he wishes. One aside, he probably cannot discharge any lead based projectiles in or near the water, but he can certainly use a high powered pellet rifle with alloy (non-lead) pellets.

Unpossible!
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