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DonDavis 07-09-2020 09:39 AM

Need to Refresh my Chemistry Knowledge, Going to Work on Cyclotrons
 
My local Team member that maintained cyclotrons retired. Since I already work in Nuclear Medicine and PET, I was asked to take on those duties.
Been too many years since my chemistry classes.
I was looking through some material and I'd like to take an online Basic Chemistry course to refresh my base.

And a brief explanation of a cyclotron from wiki...

"Cyclotrons can be used in particle therapy to treat cancer. Ion beams from cyclotrons can be used, as in proton therapy, to penetrate the body and kill tumors by radiation damage, while minimizing damage to healthy tissue along their path. Cyclotron beams can be used to bombard other atoms to produce short-lived positron-emitting isotopes suitable for PET imaging. More recently some cyclotrons currently installed at hospitals for radio isotopes production have been retrofitted to enable them to produce technetium-99m.[21] Technetium-99m is a diagnostic isotope in short supply due to difficulties at Canada's Chalk River facility."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

Any site recommendations?

Mahler9th 07-09-2020 09:53 AM

I don't have a specific suggestion, but I will ask around. As you might recall my network in medical imaging and healthcare capital equipment is pretty extensive.

Is the cylotron to which you refer a commercial product? If so, what is the name of the company?

Feel free to send me a PM.

DonDavis 07-09-2020 10:04 AM

I work for GE, it'll be on our systems. I have already been in touch with that group and have some general stuff in my queue. Just looking to be more competent when I get to training...whenever that will be. Covid has things in limbo.
I took a very brief online course the other day. But it was very high level information. Nothing specific at all.

But to my favor, I have a several months before I'll touch a system on my own.

Just thought I'd benefit from a refresher in chemistry.

bivenator 07-09-2020 11:08 AM

I do PET imaging. We are using the Rubidium generator produced by Bracco. I don't think GE has their own Rubidium generator so if you are going to work with Rubidium then the Bracco sight has enough info written on different levels to help you fake it till you make it.

Mahler9th 07-09-2020 11:55 AM

OK cool, I will ask around. As you may recall I worked for GE 1978-1984 during time off from college and grad school... engineering work. Then marketing '88-'91. One of my friends from that era recently retired as GE Healthcare CTO. Hope they are treating you well.

Steve Viegas 07-09-2020 12:44 PM

I recommend Khan Academy if you are looking for general educational materials. They have college level classes in Chemistry and O Chem. It is free.

unclebilly 07-09-2020 01:25 PM

I toured the TRIUMF cyclotron when I was in University. It was impressive.

For those who don’t know what a cyclotron is, triumf.ca

TRIUMF is a 520 MeV cyclotron that produces photon beams. From what I recall, this is just a run of the mill particle accelerator like most of us have in our basements...

ckelly78z 07-09-2020 01:26 PM

I'm usually the guy on the table getting the scan.

DonDavis 07-09-2020 02:18 PM

Ah yes, I had forgotten about Kahn. I'll start there. Good call!
My son and I did some math there a few years ago.

MBAtarga 07-09-2020 02:21 PM

Have you ever heard of MIT? :)

They have free on-line courses ( I believe it's almost all of them actually.)

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/chemistry/

MBAtarga 07-09-2020 02:26 PM

Also - I think Cyclotrons would be covered in Material Science - not Chemistry?

Another MIT course-

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/materials-science-and-engineering/3-a08-attraction-and-repulsion-the-magic-of-magnets-fall-2005/syllabus/

DonDavis 07-09-2020 02:46 PM

Not looking for cyclotron info, I'll get that from work. I was looking at some other course info and it had organic chemistry topics. That what I need to brush up on.

Arizona_928 07-09-2020 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 10939815)
Also - I think Cyclotrons would be covered in Material Science - not Chemistry?

Another MIT course-

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/materials-science-and-engineering/3-a08-attraction-and-repulsion-the-magic-of-magnets-fall-2005/syllabus/

Material science---> solid state chem-----> physical chem.

I'm confused on the OP's question.

Arizona_928 07-09-2020 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonDavis (Post 10939833)
Not looking for cyclotron info, I'll get that from work. I was looking at some other course info and it had organic chemistry topics. That what I need to brush up on.

Prolly closer to inorganic...

RANDY P 07-09-2020 06:00 PM

1)- So Cyclotron is a chem thing? I thought it was a metal song.

2)- try edx.org. A huge selection of free or next-to-free college courses of all types. I'm taking Precalc on there, because, well I'm bored.

Arizona_928 07-09-2020 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RANDY P (Post 10940096)
1)- So Cyclotron is a chem thing? I thought it was a metal song.

2)- try edx.org. A huge selection of free or next-to-free college courses of all types. I'm taking Precalc on there, because, well I'm bored.

take diff Q... omg you'll remember the pain!

RANDY P 07-09-2020 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 10940169)
take diff Q... omg you'll remember the pain!

O I doubt I'll ever get that far. I suck at math....I'll be happy if I actually finish a Calc class..

Just trying to live up to my ethnic duties. What kind of Asian guy can't do math?

rjp

ChemMan 07-10-2020 05:40 PM

This link might help

https://www.nscl.msu.edu/

The National Superconducting Cyclotron Lab is changing to the Facility for Rare Isotope Beams. They are replacing their cyclotrons. They may have already. I did not visit this year. They run a program for teachers and students over the summer called PAN (Physics of Atomic Nuclei). It will be virtual this year (naturally). If you contact them, they may be willing to provide you with some reading material. If you are ever in the area, it would be worth the time to contact them and see if a tour can be arranged. They are consistently ranked in the top three for nuclear graduate programs plus, they are some great people who worth there. PAN is running through Notre Dame too. Same program, same time.

aigel 07-10-2020 10:17 PM

This isn't chemistry. This is medical physics / nuclear medicine.

I would go through coursera. Most of their content they link to is free, unless you want to get an exam / certificate.

This one looks to be very thorough. May be a bit stiff if you don't have a solid science background:
https://www.coursera.org/learn/medical-applications-particle-accelerators

Otherwise, youtube may be good for some lighter content. Maybe you can find videos for your particular system. I'd also search the cancer medicine help sites where you may get a perspective for the patient.

Here a varian clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLgzxG7j40U

Super interesting stuff. I was seriously thinking about switching into medical physics mid-career one time.

G


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