The EV free lunch is going to be ending soon.

[Por_sha911]

California is now piling on higher fees to register an EV. They have to get the tax money you aren't spending at the gas pumps some how.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/california-adds-electric-vehicle-fees-up-to-175

I predict others will follow and then the fees will start going up each year.

[biosurfer1]

I drive an EV and have been expecting this since before I decided to buy one. Anyone who didn't know this was coming had their head in the sand.

No different than a city trying to entice a business to come to town by cutting taxes for a period of time... California wanted more EV's and gave incentives to have them.

I use the roads, I don't mind paying my fair share, especially considering how much I save not commuting with gas anymore.

[wdfifteen]

Ohio hit us with it this year. $200 for a pure EV. They included Volts as "pure" EVs for now, but we're putting pressure on the Ohio house to reclassify them with the Prius and other hybrids.

[RWebb]

speaking of "fair share" - large trucks should pay a lot more than they do

It's obvious that EVs should pay something, and all vehicles should pay a wt./mile tax if the mileage can be easily determined

[RWebb]

Don't be stoopid

Go back to PARF

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by RWebb

Don't be stoopid

Go back to PARF

They pay a higher state and federal tax per gallon and also have a road tax that varies by weight.

[WPOZZZ]

The biggest perk here was free parking at state and city parking lots. That includes the airport lots. Many airport workers, pilots and flight staff had EVs for that perk and never had to pay for parking, until this week.

[island911]

WA (State of Washington /upper left coast) has been charging quite a premium on EV's

Then again many got a ~10k sales tax waived

[WPOZZZ]

People that traveled a lot also made use of the EV perks. Sometimes EVs would be parked at the airport for weeks. When they leave, FREE parking. Daily parking is $15. Park 20 days for a fee of $300, but you get out free.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

The only real perk is -if you have a DOT number and run 30% outside claimed home state there is no tax on parts.
The industry has dribbled to the bottom so far that no one wants to drive a truck, the big companies drove out the independents years ago.
Please buy into a trucking company webby, tell everyone how good you have it.
This needs no PARF-you just blab about what you know nothing about .(as per usual)

the point is that heavy comm'l trucks do more damage than they pay in road use taxes

sorry you're a trucker and am having problems but you need to face facts

they pay only about 80% of what they should pay
- Federal Highway Administration, Addendum to the 1997 Federal Highway Cost Allocation Study: Final Report, May 2000.

[WPOZZZ]

Hawaii is considering a road tax based on miles driven instead of a gas tax.

[RWebb]

will they put counters in everybody's car?

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by RWebb

will they put counters in everybody's car?

They go by the previous year's safety inspection mileage.

[Tobra]

Lighten up webb

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

They pay a higher state and federal tax per gallon and also have a road tax that varies by weight.

SUV is a big heavy beast, registration fees like a regular car.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

The industry has dribbled to the bottom so far that no one wants to drive a truck, the big companies drove out the independents years ago.

Had a friend who moved houses. The dealerships had the indys lined up dancing and bidding against each other for the lowest move quote. Many were net losses. The dealerships would pay by how the crow flies, not the only viable route. There was some complex kickback scheme which he didn't buy into. He was a straight shooter yes/no git 'er done man. I'd have to jog to keep up with his walk. Job opportunities were seasonal surges. He had to fudge hours and stay on the road to make a profit for the year. He didn't take breaks on the job. Drove through 24 hours sometimes. Spent most of his time dealing with all sorts of various state permits restrictions and such. One good breakdown would wipe out his profit for the entire year. It was a precarious hard business.

[RWebb]

sounds like he broke federal law too

not a straight shooter

but back to EVs and their free ride

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Tobra

SUV is a big heavy beast, registration fees like a regular car.

Very true. In az the 3/4 ton trucks register just like cars (8,000 pounds of very big car). The 1 ton+ get hit with commercial registration, weight fees, ect. I register everything I have under commercial just to pay my fair share/fix the roads.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

California is now piling on higher fees to register an EV. They have to get the tax money you aren't spending at the gas pumps some how.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/california-adds-electric-vehicle-fees-up-to-175

I predict others will follow and then the fees will start going up each year.

I believe EVs were able to avoid some registration fees early on and that was compensated for. The $25-175 Transportation Impact Fee (TIF) applies to all cars (at least gas and electric hybrids) to fund road repairs. Don't quote me, but I think CA raided the road repair fund for other purposes and had to enact the TIF to replenish the road repair funds as our roads were getting out of hand (and still are bad). The TIF isn't just for EVs.

There's nothing of consequence here. EVs still get up to $7,500 from the Federal Gov't in subsidies, CA can rebate quite a lot as well, depending on income and if you take the HOV stickers. PG&E will rebate you $800 for as many EVs and plug-in hybrids as you can buy or lease. EVs are still heavily subsidized, although Tesla has been losing the Federal tax credits due to hitting volume limits. The "free lunch ending soon" is far from reality.

The subsidies have done what they were intended to do- stimulate EVs and plug-ins. EVs can be pretty nice cars to drive, as well as surprisingly fast. The silent torque is pretty intoxicating, just as a good exhaust note is. They're not as engaging, but there's some much room to grow.

[svandamme]

the UN issued a report, to warn for the problems with EV, eg that resources are mostly mined by child labor in Katanga and some other problems.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cobalt-children-mining-democratic-republic-congo-cbs-news-investigation/


https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/07/02/u-n-warns-of-devastating-environmental-side-effects-of-electric-car-boom/#:~:text=While%20the%20shift%20to%20electric,serio us%20threat%20to%20the%20environment.

EV yuppies & tree huggers = Child abusers & guilty of planet pollution in 3rd world nations

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

Hawaii is considering a road tax based on miles driven instead of a gas tax.

When I lived in Oregon (that was in pre-EV days) that topic came about as well. The problem IMO was that I could find no mention of replacing one tax with the other. The state seemed to want it both ways--tax you at the pump, and tax you by mileage. I never read an article that suggested the mileage tax would replace the gas tax.