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wdfifteen 07-14-2020 05:15 AM

Gas water heater installation question
 
I have a electric water heater that I want to replace with a more efficient gas heater. Venting is going to be an issue because of its location.

It sits a couple of feet from an old chimney that is no longer in use. Could I punch a hole in the chimney and run the vent pipe up the flue? Is that legal?

cabmandone 07-14-2020 05:18 AM

As long as the pipe runs all the way up and exits the chimney through a cap it can be done. How long is the overall run to get it outside?

dad911 07-14-2020 05:21 AM

High efficiency water heaters are PVC now, ducted out the sidewall. Tankless have dropped in price also. Check the specs, need to be a few feet from windows that open, and intakes for other devices.

You don't want to use an old flue just for HW. Not enough BTUs to keep it heated, and under some conditions the gasses will drop into living space. (backdraft)

cabmandone 07-14-2020 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 10945522)
High efficiency water heaters are PVC now, ducted out the sidewall. Tankless have dropped in price also. Check the specs, need to be a few feet from windows that open, and intakes for other devices.

You don't want to use an old flue just for HW. Not enough BTUs to keep it heated, and under some conditions the gasses will drop into living space.

I read it the same way but he's talking about running the pipe all the way up the chimney and exiting the way it looks.

As long as there's nothing venting into the chimney, the PVC "should" qualify as a liner and there should be no issue as far as code goes. My only concern would be the length of the vertical run and supporting it.

wdfifteen 07-14-2020 05:24 AM

It's about 30 feet running horizontally above a drop ceiling. It's a pain to get it up there.

wdfifteen 07-14-2020 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 10945522)
You don't want to use an old flue just for HW. Not enough BTUs to keep it heated, and under some conditions the gasses will drop into living space. (backdraft)

I wouldn't consider just punching it through the wall of the chimney. It would have PVC all the way up to free air.

cabmandone 07-14-2020 05:30 AM

Like I said in my edit, My only concern would be supporting the vertical run. That seems like a lot of pressure to put on an unsupported 90% elbow where you'd exit the chimney to run to the water heater. Probably 3" PVC due to the length of the run either way?

Cajundaddy 07-14-2020 05:38 AM

I would not use an existing chimney. It would be fairly simple to relocate anywhere you can get good venting and a properly sized gas line and then run your water line to it. The more centralized to your kitchen and master bath the better.

dad911 07-14-2020 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10945531)
I wouldn't consider just punching it through the wall of the chimney. It would have PVC all the way up to free air.

Got it.

Then yes. Most instructions I've seen need two elbows out the roof, so exhaust points down. Sometimes they spec an acceptable alternate termination. There is a max length specific to water heater and pipe size, then subtract for elbows. Last one I looked at as I recall was a bradford white, and it was 40' then subtract 5' for each 90.

dad911 07-14-2020 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10945543)
Like I said in my edit, My only concern would be supporting the vertical run. That seems like a lot of pressure to put on an unsupported 90% elbow where you'd exit the chimney to run to the water heater. Probably 3" PVC due to the length of the run either way?

single story or 2?

Dpmulvan 07-14-2020 05:42 AM

You can buy a stainless steel venting kit made for running up a chimney. You don’t want to vent your heater directly into the chimney for various reasons. Condensation, the low heat from energy efficient hot water heaters might night rise out of chimney due to low temp of gases, condensate can damage your chimneys mortar, drafting dynamics of chimney could cause carbon monoxide issues in your home.
Buy the kit and do it to code.

Dpmulvan 07-14-2020 05:44 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594734241.jpg

GH85Carrera 07-14-2020 05:45 AM

Just double check the code for high off the ground the gas water heater has to be. It is getting crazy around here. Mine is on a huge support in a special closet just for the water heater in the garage. I guess if your water heater in in the house it is less of an issue.

The pan under the heater has to have a separate drain of it's own. Ours goes along the garage wall through a outside wall, and would dump into the flower garden in case of a leak.

cabmandone 07-14-2020 05:49 AM

^^^
We live in Ohio. They don't much care what we do as homeowners. Most areas have no code inspection and even if there is code inspection, no one reports a water heater change out so that it can be inspected.

wdfifteen 07-14-2020 05:57 AM

How far away from windows does the vent need to be?

I might be able to replace the water heater in the east end of the house (instead of the one in the west end) if there is enough wall space between these two windows. They are 20 feet apart and about 3 1/2 feet above the band board. The vent would have to come through the band board.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594735034.jpg

wdfifteen 07-14-2020 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10945577)
^^^
We live in Ohio. They don't much care what we do as homeowners. Most areas have no code inspection and even if there is code inspection, no one reports a water heater change out so that it can be inspected.

True in some counties. When I lived in Greene county they were all over you. Out here in the sticks you can do about anything.

john70t 07-14-2020 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dpmulvan (Post 10945563)
Condensation, the low heat from energy efficient hot water heaters might night rise out of chimney due to low temp of gases, condensate can damage your chimneys mortar, drafting dynamics of chimney could cause carbon monoxide issues in your home.

My WH only has a 8' power vent run to outside but I've had foot-long ice bridges created to the ground which had to be knocked off.
(stock internet pic)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594736191.jpg

cabmandone 07-14-2020 12:56 PM

Patrick,
IIRC it's 24" to a window. You could go between those two pictured easily and safely. Your only grief might be cleanly making the hole through the bricks.

dad911 07-14-2020 03:36 PM

This was the diagram that came with my Rinnai tankless. Others will be different. You have plenty of room between those windows.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594769661.jpg


In my case 'B' is 12 inches, yet local inspectors question less than 36"

wdfifteen 07-15-2020 05:52 AM

Thanks for the replies.
This is part of my plan to prepare for the apocalypse. I'm replacing one of the electric water heaters with a gas heater and running separate circuits to the refrigerator and freezers that will be wired into a transfer switch. Getting a 7500 watt generator to keep the freezers and some other things going in case of a power outage. Too bad our DSL service goes down the minute the power goes out. :(


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