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sammyg2 09-10-2020 04:31 PM

Climate change!
Heat!
Drought!

No.
Not this time.
These 90 fires cannot be directly attributed to any of the above.

RWebb 09-10-2020 04:35 PM

Let's keep politics and crazy talk out of this thread please

RWebb 09-10-2020 05:14 PM

Ignitions for Fires that damage homes are almost all anthropogenic

https://phys.org/news/2020-09-humans-costly-wildfire-millions-homes.html

ckissick 09-10-2020 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 11021620)
Ignitions for Fires that damage homes are almost all anthropogenic

https://phys.org/news/2020-09-humans-costly-wildfire-millions-homes.html

Not surprising. This year's fires in CA were mostly caused by a very rare dry lightning event. They happen around here about every 30 years or so. There's not much else that can cause them, other then human activity. Most seem to be caused by downed electrical wires, with many also caused by camp fires or fire works. The solution is simple: PG&E should do something about their power lines. Everyone else just needs to not be so stupid. Okay, maybe the solution is not so simple, after all.

jyl 09-10-2020 08:44 PM

https://www.oregon.gov/oem/emops/Pages/RAPTOR.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1ds-a4YRTBYATnxPYNrYhPqIys9_2w_bh9x3otl-6XVdBBkqP9GFb_kmo

Evacuation map
red - go now
yellow - be ready to go on moments notice
green - get yourself ready to go

sammyg2 09-10-2020 09:47 PM

https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-activist-charged-for-fire-set-in-washington

pwd72s 09-10-2020 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 11021859)

Hey! Don't upset Webb!

Sure seems weird to me that fires seem to be popping up not far from Portland...
With no thunder and lightening about.

jyl 09-10-2020 11:08 PM

https://www.facebook.com/100871513330688/posts/3294100377341103/?extid=Rv4TjXY3o1ce1FjG&d=n

Douglas County Sheriff’s Office statement about antifa

jyl 09-10-2020 11:25 PM

Some kids of my friends in California were traveling through Oregon in their car, had to change plans due to fires, needa place to stay, wife and friend directed them to come here. But we’re not letting folks stay in our house unless they are in our “Covid bubble”, and we have no idea about these two - 20 year olds, might not even know if they had it. So . . . they’re living in the treehouse! It’s got lights, electricity, fridge, sleeping loft, and even an AC. I guess we’re odd hosts.

KFC911 09-11-2020 04:58 AM

Please stay safe all!

Sooner or later 09-11-2020 05:11 AM

Yes. Be safe. Err on the side of caution.

fintstone 09-11-2020 05:20 AM

As noted/predicted in the past, these will continue until the forests and other areas are better managed. It is not magic, just science...that works wherever practiced. Blaming the climate and other natural causes is like complaining about the weather every time it rains despite not putting a roof on your house. Be safe, but afterwards, demand action on forestry and infrastructure or we will be having the same conversation next year (just like last year).

onewhippedpuppy 09-11-2020 05:23 AM

I read an interesting article a while back about this topic. They contended that the natural cycle of the forest was small fires on a semi-regular basis that generally reduced the amount of fuel available. But today we actively suppress any fires due to development, leading to the fuel simply accumulating. Then boom, something sets it off and we have these massive fires that we can’t control. It’s an interesting perspective.

vash 09-11-2020 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 11021419)
Flew over this yesterday afternoon, just coming into LA.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1599774455.jpg

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awesome pic!! just awesome. but sad too. very dramatic

KNS 09-11-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11021968)
I read an interesting article a while back about this topic. They contended that the natural cycle of the forest was small fires on a semi-regular basis that generally reduced the amount of fuel available. But today we actively suppress any fires due to development, leading to the fuel simply accumulating. Then boom, something sets it off and we have these massive fires that we can’t control. It’s an interesting perspective.

I read something similar many years ago. They've tried to simulate natural burn cycles with prescribed burns, managed burns and thinning which is a good idea. The problem is we're so far behind now with built up fuel. There are also vast stands of dead trees (beetles).

In Arizona the Prescott and Coconino Nat. Forests are so unnaturally thick now, they're years behind the curve but you can see areas where they've made progress with thinning and burns.

upsscott 09-11-2020 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 11021572)
Climate change!
Heat!
Drought!

No.
Not this time.
These 90 fires cannot be directly attributed to any of the above.


Speaking for the fires in NorCal, they were started by a freak dry lightning storm a month or so ago. What happened next most definitely has to do with drought, heat, wind, and overgrowth.

fintstone 09-11-2020 03:11 PM

The size of some of the fires are definitely the result of drought, heat, wind, and overgrowth which are all predictable and conditions that happen every few years in the west (As does lightning)...and will continue to do so. Why not assume that and do necessary work to prevent them from getting out of hand? Similarly, repair the energy grid and maintain it. Also, purchase and maintain firefighting equipment and hire/train personnel to operate it.

As far as cause, they have caught people setting some of these fires red-handed...so it is likely that some of these were also set and did not happen to be caught. Ignoring intentional destruction simply encourages it.

RWebb 09-11-2020 03:25 PM

these conditions have not happened in the west during recorded history

nor have this many fires of this size & intensity

fintstone 09-11-2020 03:40 PM

That is just not the case. There are quite a few threads here documenting massive fires that were caused by very similar conditions in 2918 alone (It is hot, dry, windy, etc. in the west a lot of summers). Here is but one:
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/1012816-california-fires-out-control.html

RWebb 09-11-2020 03:47 PM

I am talking about the aggregate total for the West.

You can easily check this by going to the National Fire Information database.


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