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masraum 09-27-2020 08:38 AM

Interesting old porcelain sink, counter, refrigerator unit
 
We're looking at buying a 100 year old house on some property in the country. We think it was repaired/restored/renovated, maybe in the 80s or 90s. There's a "feature" in the kitchen that's, to us, VERY unusual.

THere are cabinets in the kitchen with porcelainized metal doors. And the kitchen counter and since is porcelainized metal. And under the counter there's a built in refrigerator.

Has anyone ever seen anything like this?

You can see the open vent at the top of the door under the sink in this photo. And the cabinet doors over the counter are the same or similar to the unit under, but I think the cabinets themselves are wood. (I didn't really explore this that much.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601223896.jpg

In this photo, you can see the refrigerator (not currently running, maybe turned off) on the right. I thought the small box at the top might be a "freezer" like little dorm fridges often have, but I couldn't get it open, so maybe it's not. Under the sink at the bottom, there's a box with a knob. Presumably that's the compressor and temp control. The fridge is surprisingly roomy.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601223896.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601223896.JPG

Before and current photos of the front.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601223896.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601223896.jpg

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

dad911 09-27-2020 09:26 AM

Look like a 'sears house'

Probably original cabinets. We remodeled one in the early 90's, I kept the uppers, all steel with wire shelves for my garage.

look 171 09-27-2020 01:52 PM

1950s - 60s. We torn out some of those cabinets over the years. I have no idea where they came from?

Bugsinrugs 09-27-2020 03:23 PM

Looks like a nice place.

masraum 09-27-2020 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 11042378)
1950s - 60s. We torn out some of those cabinets over the years. I have no idea where they came from?

That's what I was thinking (the 50s-60s part).

masraum 09-27-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs (Post 11042463)
Looks like a nice place.

Thanks, we're pretty happy with it, and hoping nothing keeps us from buying it. So far it's looking good. The inspection didn't turn up anything heinous. It's got issues (mostly minor), but for a 100 year old house, it's in pretty good shape. There's half a dozen native pecan trees on the property too. I love pecans. I brought a few back on Sat. Now I'm waiting for them to dry so I can try them. They are smaller than a regular pecan, and supposedly have a much harder shell to crack (apparently "improved pecans" are often called "papershell pecans". But the guy that told me that they are native pecans said that the meat is sweeter. (apparently, his grandfather had 4 different kinds of pecans on his property).

It's on almost 6 acres of land. There are 3 other homes nearby, but they are all just over 1/8 mile away and with natural barriers between this house and the others.

It'll mostly be a weekend place for us, and is just over an hour drive from where we're currently living.

look 171 09-27-2020 07:50 PM

All right, party at Steve's new house

KFC911 09-28-2020 03:57 AM

^^^ Red Beard's in charge of the kegs! Good luck with the purchase Steve. There are a few pecan trees on my family property... both thin & thick shells. I never realized, until watching a doc a few years ago... they only produce pecans every other year.

Baz 09-28-2020 04:44 AM

Pull out all those plants in front and replace with some Azaleas. Would be the perfect plant for a house like that.

Hope things work out for you, Steve!

KFC911 09-28-2020 04:58 AM

Get thee a zero-turn mower... it'll make mowing a snap (and fast) when you visit on weekends ;)

masraum 09-28-2020 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 11042892)
Get thee a zero-turn mower... it'll make mowing a snap (and fast) when you visit on weekends ;)

Which is good. I think the fenced area immediately around the house is 1-2 acres. THen I'm sure something will need to be done to the land outside of that fence too. I'm guessing maybe once or twice a year, but I don't know. It'll be a learning experience.

It's currently got an ag valuation (commonly call 'ag exempt') for lower taxes. I won't be putting cattle on it. I think I'm going to try my hand at having bees to keep the ag valuation.

KFC911 09-28-2020 05:33 AM

For the "proper lawn" a good commercial grade Z-turn, not the crap found at Home Depot or Lowes. If outside the fence is fairly smooth, and free of debris, the Z might be fine for that also. Otherwise .... a "bush hog" behind a tractor once a year... mebbe you can find a neighbor (current owner mebbe?) that can do it? It looks like an awesome get-away place :).

Good luck!

masraum 09-28-2020 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 11042938)
For the "proper lawn" a good commercial grade Z-turn, not the crap found at Home Depot or Lowes. If outside the fence is fairly smooth, and free of debris, the Z might be fine for that also. Otherwise .... a "bush hog" behind a tractor once a year... mebbe you can find a neighbor (current owner mebbe?) that can do it? It looks like an awesome get-away place :).

Good luck!

Yeah, the current owner has 2 mowers and a large tractor in the "garage." They also have another 27 acres that they grow hay on.

They currently keep 2 horses on the property who roam outside of the inner fence. They keep 2 trailers and a horse trailer on the property as well as the various mowers and tractors in the inner fence and/or garage. The rest of the property that they are keeping doesn't have any buildings of any sort. I've wondered about maybe giving them a period of time where they can still use the garage and/or property to store the mowers, tractors and/or horses in exchange for them mowing/clearing the land. It would probably be temporary and we'd put it in writing so there wouldn't be any issues down the road. It's just something that I'm considering at this point.

Part of the area outside of the proper lawn is mostly flat, but another part has a ravine that runs through it.

john70t 09-28-2020 12:22 PM

Being out in the country...I would think a 'well set up' cooking area with plenty of storage would be priority #1.

jhynesrockmtn 09-28-2020 02:04 PM

Some of the cabinets in my 100+ year old apartment building are old metal cabinets some previous owner installed over the years. I'm not sure what era they are from. They have held up reasonably well and can be painted effectively if prepped properly.

john70t 09-28-2020 02:17 PM

I would turn the left side into a food-prep (clean area) right next to the stove.
Add a pull out garbage under the counter to sweep it all into the pit.

Turn the right side into storage.

If there is room put the full size fridge left or right, with a small table next to it to set stuff on.

masraum 09-28-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn (Post 11043721)
Some of the cabinets in my 100+ year old apartment building are old metal cabinets some previous owner installed over the years. I'm not sure what era they are from. They have held up reasonably well and can be painted effectively if prepped properly.

Interesting. I would wonder if these were original except that they have an integrated refrigerator that would not have been possible in 1920.

masraum 09-28-2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 11043573)
Being out in the country...I would think a 'well set up' cooking area with plenty of storage would be priority #1.

I'll be getting a grill. I haven't had one in 6 years. It'll be good to have one there.

The house actually has a fair amount of storage space. The kitchen isn't exactly flush with storage, but it's adequate. Since this will likely only be a weekend place, at least for 4-6 years, we don't need to keep it stocked for the zombie apocalypse.

masraum 09-28-2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 11043753)
I would turn the left side into a food-prep (clean area) right next to the stove.
Add a pull out garbage under the counter to sweep it all into the pit.

Turn the right side into storage.

If there is room put the full size fridge left or right, with a small table next to it to set stuff on.

The kitchen is surprisingly roomy for something from 1920, at least, it seems that way to the missus and I. Most of our experience with older homes is that the rooms are usually tiny.

Hopefully, these pics aren't huge.
https://photos.harstatic.com/187055227/hr/img-11.jpeg

Very small pantry next to the fridge.
https://photos.harstatic.com/187055227/hr/img-14.jpeg

And then directly behind the stove-sink-dishwasher is a room that was probably once a porch, but now houses the water heater, washer/dryer, and some shelves. It's pretty roomy and could probably be pantry overflow for the less perishable items or non-food items that sometimes end up in a pantry.

john70t 09-28-2020 02:38 PM

That's a nice space. I could live with that.

MRM 09-28-2020 02:51 PM

When we did our basement a few years ago we went with a porcelain vanity that looks very much like your kitchen sink setup. We love it. I strongly suggest retaining all the porcelain fixtures and cabinets. The feel of porcelain is somehow better even than granite, marble or Corian.

Very nice artwork, by the way. Very inviting and comfortable space. Maybe you can make an offer that includes the wall hangings?

Pazuzu 09-28-2020 06:54 PM

Are you still buying in town as well, or are you going to rent here?

And, when do you want the observatory built? :)

masraum 09-28-2020 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11044063)
Are you still buying in town as well, or are you going to rent here?

And, when do you want the observatory built? :)

We are currently renting in the Montrose area, about 1/4 mile from the AIG building and bayou. We will probably buy something in the burbs next year closer to the grandkids once the kids figure out what they are doing.

According to the Internet, the place should be ~Bortle 4 which is very exciting.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601348561.jpg

And I've been planning to get one of these.
100mm ED bino-telescope. Interchangeable EP, hence the bino-telescope vs just "binocular"
https://www.cloudynights.com/uploads...1529515618.jpg

Lightweight (10#) and easy to move around.

jhynesrockmtn 09-28-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11043764)
Interesting. I would wonder if these were original except that they have an integrated refrigerator that would not have been possible in 1920.

I should have been more clear. I have 6 units in my building. A couple of them have metal cabinetry and it is not original. It was built in 1910 or so and all of the kitchens are different even though the layout of 4 of them is identical. I don't think any of them are original. It's just been redone over the years at different times and some of the previous owners were cheap as heck. I'm sure they used whatever was the least expensive or even used at the time.

masraum 09-28-2020 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn (Post 11044087)
I should have been more clear. I have 6 units in my building. A couple of them have metal cabinetry and it is not original. It was built in 1910 or so and all of the kitchens are different even though the layout of 4 of them is identical. I don't think any of them are original. It's just been redone over the years at different times and some of the previous owners were cheap as heck. I'm sure they used whatever was the least expensive or even used at the time.

Gotcha.

Pazuzu 09-28-2020 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11044078)
According to the Internet, the place should be ~Bortle 4 which is very exciting.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601348561.jpg

The dark site for the Houston club is probably a mile away https://goo.gl/maps/LqvFUgDiFZLCpu2N8

Quote:

And I've been planning to get one of these.
100mm ED bino-telescope. Interchangeable EP, hence the bino-telescope vs just "binocular"
https://www.cloudynights.com/uploads...1529515618.jpg

Lightweight (10#) and easy to move around.
Still, would be better in an observatory...sexy observatory...designed and built by your local observatory guy...

masraum 09-29-2020 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11044098)
The dark site for the Houston club is probably a mile away https://goo.gl/maps/LqvFUgDiFZLCpu2N8


Still, would be better in an observatory...sexy observatory...designed and built by your local observatory guy...

True that! I mentioned your comment to the missus and she said something like "that would be cool." So it could happen. Although it may take a while before we're ready as there are going to be lots of projects to do to the house itself before we start doing extra stuff. Actually, when I'm ready to purchase, I may reach out to see what sort of gear you've got available.

8.8 miles away, our property is just North of I10.

Jolly Amaranto 09-29-2020 05:32 AM

Near the greater metropolitan town of Borden. I can wave as I haul down 10 at 80 MPH. ;)

masraum 09-29-2020 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolly Amaranto (Post 11044369)
Near the greater metropolitan town of Borden. I can wave as I haul down 10 at 80 MPH. ;)

Yes, exactly, the address is Weimar, but on the map, it's Borden. Between 10 and 90 at 210.

daepp 10-02-2020 10:28 AM

I've seen many of these over the years in cool old houses in So Cal.

An electric stove next to a sink - what could possibly go wrong?
(And from the days when they didn't ground everything...)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601663224.jpg

masraum 10-06-2020 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daepp (Post 11049090)
I've seen many of these over the years in cool old houses in So Cal.

An electric stove next to a sink - what could possibly go wrong?
(And from the days when they didn't ground everything...)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1601663224.jpg

whacky, but also cool. Is that a fridge underneath?

daepp 10-09-2020 02:22 PM

Yep

I just never could get comfortable with water so close to voltage.....

VINMAN 10-09-2020 02:30 PM

That same sink/fridge/cabinet setup in the OP, was standard in all of our NY Telephone Co break rooms, back when I started working with them back in the 80's. Only difference was most had a 2 burner electric cooktop above the fridge. There are probably still a few around.


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red-beard 10-09-2020 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by daepp (Post 11058992)
Yep

I just never could get comfortable with water so close to voltage.....

Fortunately, we never see these shower heads..

https://cheapbeertravel.files.wordpr...5528.jpg?w=736

masraum 10-09-2020 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 11059000)
That same sink/fridge/cabinet setup in the OP, was standard in all of our NY Telephone Co break rooms, back when I started working with them back in the 80's. Only difference was most had a 2 burner electric cooktop above the fridge. There are probably still a few around.


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That's very cool. Thanks for the info.

masraum 10-09-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by daepp (Post 11058992)
Yep

I just never could get comfortable with water so close to voltage.....

Some people do it on purpose.
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/08/denki-buro-electric-baths-of-japan.html
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Many public bath houses in Japan have special pools lined with live metal electrodes for those peculiar bathers who would rather have actual electricity surging through their bodies than have coffees like normal folks. These baths are known as denki buro or “electric baths” and they are found throughout Japan.

Whatever you had learned about the deadly combination of electricity and water at primary school, you can experience first hand at a denki buro. The bather sits in a small pool between two plates of opposite electric polarity and lets a low-level electric current to pass through their body. The current induces mild shock causing the muscles to contract and develop a tingling sensation which some people find relaxing while others find it painful. Electric baths are said to provide relief from rheumatism and spondylitis

The history of deniki buro is difficult to trace, but they've clearly been around since at least 1928 when a story called Denkiburo no Kaishi Jiken (“The Case of the Suspicious Death in the Electricity Bath”) was published. Electrotherapy itself has existed since the 18th century when it was first used at a London hospital for unknown therapeutic purposes.

During the 1940s, the U.S. War Department gave electrotherapy to wounded soldiers to retard and prevent atrophy as well as to restore muscle mass and strength. Electrotherapy was also used with positive results in the treatment of cancer. In 1985, the journal Cancer Research published a remarkable study where researchers reported 98% shrinkage of tumor in animal subjects when treated with electrotherapy for only five hours over five days.

Although its effectiveness has not been conclusively proved, electrotherapy is often used as alternative treatment for back pain, muscle pain, headaches and migraines, arthritis, disorders of the nervous system, neuromuscular dysfunction and a host of other conditions.

According to the popular health information portal WebMD, electric current may cause people to experience less pain because “the electricity from the electrodes stimulates the nerves in an affected area and sends signals to the brain that block or "scramble" normal pain signals.” According to another theory, electrical stimulation of the nerves helps the body to produce natural painkillers called endorphins, which may block the perception of pain.

As always, it’s always advisable to consult your physician before you tryout new therapies especially those that involve electricity. And stay clear of denki buro if you’ve got a pacemaker installed or have a heart condition.

VINMAN 10-09-2020 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 11059000)
That same sink/fridge/cabinet setup in the OP, was standard in all of our NY Telephone Co break rooms, back when I started working with them back in the 80's. Only difference was most had a 2 burner electric cooktop above the fridge. There are probably still a few around.


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Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11059245)
That's very cool. Thanks for the info.

It's a Dwyer Kitchenette

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masraum 10-10-2020 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 11059301)
It's a Dwyer Kitchenette

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Cool, thanks.


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