HOO-WEE did I ever get stabbed in the butt today

[flatbutt]

Just got a delivery of LP today. 92 gallons at $4.66 per! Yikes. The national average is around $3 or less per gallon.

I have no issue with a reasonable profit, nor do I argue with businesses struggling at this time but dayum $4.66 per gallon is ouchy.

[GH85Carrera]

That will flatten yer butt even more. Wow. Still better than the Texas mess. Some folks are stuck for 17 grand for a week of electricity.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Just got a delivery of LP today. 92 gallons at $4.66 per! Yikes. The national average is around $3 or less per gallon.

I have no issue with a reasonable profit, nor do I argue with businesses struggling at this time but dayum $4.66 per gallon is ouchy.

You're welcome. I have to assume that this is due to the crazy cold weather issues that extended down into TX.

[Evans, Marv]

Pricing for propane seems to be arbitrary around here. Last time I filled, it was around $2.50. My neighbor across the road had to pay $3.50. That was from the same company about a week apart. He called beforehand saying I'd told him my price, but they said the $3.50 amount was his price. I have a 250 gallon tank I fill almost every two years. Don't know if that has anything to do with it or not.

[tadd]

Really depends on if you own your tank or 'lease' it. If the gas company provides you are stuck with what they tell you the price is. If you pay upfront and buy your tank, you can shop around.

Why I ate the $7k cost to install a 1000 gal underground tank. Didnt want to be held hostage on price. They would have done it for $500, but then I would have had to pay them to remove it if I ever decided to not use it. And only they can fill it if they own it.

[ckelly78z]

26 years ago, when we moved into our rural farm house, I called our local LP supplier (who owned the tank), and asked them about the previous owner's yearly budget. They said that he called as needed (no real budget), but for the previous 12 months, he had ordered 2100 gallons at about $1.50-$2.00 a gallon back then.

I did a little bit of calculating, and determined very quickly that we could install an new, brand name, airtight woodstove, a triple wall stainless chimney, and buy a new Stihl chainsaw for the price of heating the house with LP for a single year.

We used the furnace as a back up system for a few years, but haven't burnt a drop of propane for the last 15 years, strictly heat with wood. I figure my sweat equity has saved us about $75,000 since we lived there....I can't imagine trying to pay for $4.66 a gallon heat !

[Evans, Marv]

Tank rental for my 250 gal. tank is $27/yr. I didn't think I could beat that by payiing for my own.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Just got a delivery of LP today. 92 gallons at $4.66 per! Yikes. The national average is around $3 or less per gallon.

I have no issue with a reasonable profit, nor do I argue with businesses struggling at this time but dayum $4.66 per gallon is ouchy.

Geez. That is worse than #2 home heating fuel.

Stabbed is not what happened to your butt.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

26 years ago, when we moved into our rural farm house, I called our local LP supplier (who owned the tank), and asked them about the previous owner's yearly budget. They said that he called as needed (no real budget), but for the previous 12 months, he had ordered 2100 gallons at about $1.50-$2.00 a gallon back then.

I did a little bit of calculating, and determined very quickly that we could install an new, brand name, airtight woodstove, a triple wall stainless chimney, and buy a new Stihl chainsaw for the price of heating the house with LP for a single year.

We used the furnace as a back up system for a few years, but haven't burnt a drop of propane for the last 15 years, strictly heat with wood. I figure my sweat equity has saved us about $75,000 since we lived there....I can't imagine trying to pay for $4.66 a gallon heat !

Wow, where do you get the wood? Is your property forested? How much wood do you go through in a year?

I'm only tangentially familiar with wood stoves. Why a triple wall chimney? I would think that the chimney would radiate heat, but triple wall sounds like it would insulate.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

Tank rental for my 250 gal. tank is $27/yr. I didn't think I could beat that by payiing for my own.

I think what the folks here on the board have said is that if you don't rent, then you can shop around for the best propane price, but if you rent, you cannot. I guess how much LP you use and the price difference could make a difference more than the $27/yr.

[cabmandone]

Did they at least kiss you on the cheek and tell you they loved you when they were done?

The delivery guy's name wasn't Ben Dover by chance was it?

[fastfredracing]

I also heat with propane, it stings a little bit . Just filled up last week .

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

Tank rental for my 250 gal. tank is $27/yr. I didn't think I could beat that by payiing for my own.

It's not so much the cost of the tank rental as much as it's about the cost of the propane you're locked into by renting that tank. If you can save .50/gal that's $200 per year difference on 400 gallons. I go through about 1300 gallons each year roughly so I'd save about $650. In two years I just paid for the tank I bought. And yes, I can save at least .50 per gallon by owning my own tank and paying at the time of delivery. And I NEVER fill up at winter rates because I have two 1000 gallon tanks which saves me even more.

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by masraum

Wow, where do you get the wood? Is your property forested? How much wood do you go through in a year?

I'm only tangentially familiar with wood stoves. Why a triple wall chimney? I would think that the chimney would radiate heat, but triple wall sounds like it would insulate.

I live on 10 acres with some woods along our creek, but mostly clean up the farmer's woods within 1/4 mile of where I live. (about 4-5 cords of Ash/Oak)

The triple wall is virtually indestructible, and easy to clean, and is still shiny after 25 years. I have the single wall black pipe out of my stove to a triple wall elbow that safely goes horizontally through the house wall, and then up another 20' to the cap above my roof.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

I live on 10 acres with some woods along our creek, but mostly clean up the farmer's woods within 1/4 mile of where I live. (about 4-5 cords of Ash/Oak)

The triple wall is virtually indestructible, and easy to clean, and is still shiny after 25 years. I have the single wall black pipe out of my stove to a triple wall elbow that safely goes horizontally through the house wall, and then up another 20' to the cap above my roof.

That's a lot of sweat equity!

[Nostril Cheese]

$2.15 a gallon in Oregon.

We go through a lot of it with all the flame effects stuff we build, heating/cooking.

[craigster59]

Well, your LPG came from either Trinidad or Russia, hence the higher cost. You can't ship from Texas to New Jersey since the ships weren't built in the U.S. And the canceling of pipelines doesn't help matters.

You can thank the Jones Act for that.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/j/jonesact.asp

"The Jones Act is a federal law that regulates maritime commerce in the United States. The Jones Act requires goods shipped between U.S. ports to be transported on ships that are built, owned, and operated by United States citizens or permanent residents."

[masraum]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Well, your LPG came from either Trinidad or Russia, hence the higher cost. You can't ship from Texas to New Jersey since the ships weren't built in the U.S. And the canceling of pipelines doesn't help matters.

You can thank the Jones Act for that.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/j/jonesact.asp

"The Jones Act is a federal law that regulates maritime commerce in the United States. The Jones Act requires goods shipped between U.S. ports to be transported on ships that are built, owned, and operated by United States citizens or permanent residents."

Interesting!

[pete3799]

Just payed a propane bill this morning......$3.590

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by masraum

Wow, where do you get the wood? Is your property forested? How much wood do you go through in a year?

I'm only tangentially familiar with wood stoves. Why a triple wall chimney? I would think that the chimney would radiate heat, but triple wall sounds like it would insulate.

The other reason for triple insulated is when you remove heat from the stove to heat the house the chimney can cool off too much causing increase of creosote/soot and poor draft.