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Joe Bob 04-08-2021 03:47 PM

NICS background checks
 
Apparently, gun sales have been shooting through the roof this year. So much so that even the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Checks System, commonly abbreviated as NICS, has been getting a little bogged down.

Reuters recently reported the following on the increase:

“A surge in people buying guns since the coronavirus pandemic began has flooded the FBI’s background check system, causing a spike in the number of delayed checks and allowing gun sales to proceed without them, FBI data disclosed.”

According to reports, there’s been a 54% increase in NICS being delayed over three days between the months of March and July of this year, when examining the numbers from 2019.

To get a good understanding of the gravity of this increase, keep in mind that a NICS report is intended to take a matter of minutes. Now, there are cases – obviously – where the report might not take mere minutes.

So, those reviewing NICS data are afforded three days to locate and information that would bar someone from purchasing a firearm.

However, if no determination is made on the NICS report within that three-day period, then the gun sale is allowed to go through.

Not so if buying from Cabela's.
:(

It's been over a week for me, getting a CCW is also slowed down at the County level. 2 weeks to get an appointment to just submit an application. 3-4 months to get one.

Joe Bob 04-08-2021 04:07 PM

A call to Cabela's corporate in Missouri finds that this is NOT corporate policy. Stay tuned.

red-beard 04-08-2021 04:08 PM

Joe, aren't you a former LEO?

Joe Bob 04-08-2021 04:10 PM

If after 10 years from retirement and you don't have a current CCW, no dice.

Also, CCWs from other states, even if reciprocal are no bueno.

Tobra 04-08-2021 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 11289938)
A call to Cabela's corporate in Missouri finds that this is NOT corporate policy. Stay tuned.

They are liars

flatbutt 04-08-2021 05:23 PM

I'm one that has waited as long as 4 months for papers to go through and 7 days for a NICS check. It may be counter to policy but I wouldn't want to be the one that releases a weapon on day 4 to someone who shouldn't have one.

id10t 04-08-2021 05:36 PM

I don't play in NFA land, but imagine waiting 6 to 24 months for permission to take your gun home

Rick Lee 04-08-2021 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by id10t (Post 11290063)
I don't play in NFA land, but imagine waiting 6 to 24 months for permission to take your gun home

With a few million people out there owning what today was reclassified as an SBR, if they have to go through the NFA process to make them once again legal, the wait will be several years. Though I predict next to no compliance. ATF will make examples of a few people, but otherwise, those guns will just be kept out of public until the political winds change again.

id10t 04-08-2021 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 11290148)
With a few million people out there owning what today was reclassified as an SBR, if they have to go through the NFA process to make them once again legal, the wait will be several years. Though I predict next to no compliance. ATF will make examples of a few people, but otherwise, those guns will just be kept out of public until the political winds change again.

An e-filed Form 1 takes 30 days or so currently... and I've been pondering it to do a SBR. But that whole "don't invite the government into your life", etc. thing is slowing me down...

Fast Freddy 944 04-09-2021 01:26 AM

If it takes a long time for you to get your background check, then somthing in your past might have popped up. The reason for the spike in sales is Civil unrest, criminals being let out, and wide spread fear...and now they are nipping away at your 2nd amendment rights, and defunding the police.

Racerbvd 04-09-2021 05:03 AM

Wow, and I thought it was a PITA when the Typhoon came it, and even with my CCW, it was a day later before I could pick it up.

Brando 04-09-2021 11:01 AM

All the more reason to just build your own. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

berettafan 04-09-2021 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 11289925)

“A surge in people buying guns since the coronavirus pandemic began has flooded the FBI’s background check system, causing a spike in the number of delayed checks and allowing gun sales to proceed without them, FBI data disclosed.”

Bull****.

This is just the gov't machine laying groundwork for very long wait times.

berettafan 04-09-2021 12:23 PM

My last long gun purchase took seconds. And that was just a couple weeks ago.

Tobra 04-09-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11291022)
Bull****.

This is just the gov't machine laying groundwork for very long wait times.

Yeah, no way in hell they are letting sales go forward without a background check

id10t 04-09-2021 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11291023)
My last long gun purchase took seconds. And that was just a couple weeks ago.

Depends on what state you are in (some states use their own check, some use the fed check) and what else is going on in that state. I've bought 2 within a few weeks of each other. One done on a wednesday took about 3 minutes to process and come back clear, the other done on a Saturday with two big gun shows in the state going on plus a couple of smaller ones took almost 24 hours to process and clear.

Racerbvd 04-09-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by id10t (Post 11291142)
Depends on what state you are in (some states use their own check, some use the fed check) and what else is going on in that state. I've bought 2 within a few weeks of each other. One done on a wednesday took about 3 minutes to process and come back clear, the other done on a Saturday with two big gun shows in the state going on plus a couple of smaller ones took almost 24 hours to process and clear.

That is my experience as well.

rfuerst911sc 04-10-2021 02:36 PM

I consider myself a responsible gun owner but I don't see any common sense in this new Tennessee law . Am I off base ? I see nuts and mental cases taking advantage of this .

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/51c96aeb-76dc-3b70-8706-2a4f718eba3d/new-tennessee-law-allows.html

flatbutt 04-10-2021 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11292205)
I consider myself a responsible gun owner but I don't see any common sense in this new Tennessee law . Am I off base ? I see nuts and mental cases taking advantage of this .

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/51c96aeb-76dc-3b70-8706-2a4f718eba3d/new-tennessee-law-allows.html

I am a strong supporter of a training requirement as well as background checks, but I am aware of how easily those can be made onerous. If they are made reasonable requirements I wouldn't be opposed to their enactment.

eg. training in a two day / 10-12 hour total course in handling and safety would be fine for owning and additional 1 full day training in carry and holster use for open carry.

Rick Lee 04-10-2021 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11292205)
I consider myself a responsible gun owner but I don't see any common sense in this new Tennessee law . Am I off base ? I see nuts and mental cases taking advantage of this .

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/51c96aeb-76dc-3b70-8706-2a4f718eba3d/new-tennessee-law-allows.html

Yes, you're off base. Lots of states have Constitutional Carry, meaning the Second Amendment is all the permit you need. If you can legally own it, you can legally carry it and don't need a gov't. permission slip. We've had it for 11 years in AZ. Can't recall the last time someone abused it, and it would certainly be in the news if they had.

FWIW, I just bought another gun today at a dealer. No NICS check. Paperwork took about five min. because ATF told them their electronic version was no longer valid.

GH85Carrera 04-11-2021 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11292205)
I consider myself a responsible gun owner but I don't see any common sense in this new Tennessee law . Am I off base ? I see nuts and mental cases taking advantage of this .

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/51c96aeb-76dc-3b70-8706-2a4f718eba3d/new-tennessee-law-allows.html

From the formation of the 13 original states, "constitutional carry" was the law in all states until the 19th century. Only Vermont NEVER passed restrictions on carrying a weapon.

Oklahoma has had it for several years. 20 states allow it the constitution of the Untied States to be their guide. The rest of the states pass laws that indeed infringe on the right of the citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry

Rick Lee 04-11-2021 10:58 AM

If the gov't. can require training and permit papers to exercise one's 2nd Amendment right, it should be no problem to also require training on how to acquire a GIID and find the right polling station to cast one's vote in person on election day. Amirite?

Dantilla 04-11-2021 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11292205)
I consider myself a responsible gun owner but I don't see any common sense in this new Tennessee law . Am I off base ? I see nuts and mental cases taking advantage of this .

The nuts, mental cases, and of course criminals are already carrying illegally.

A few people I've known for years have purchased their first ever firearm in the last few months.
Every one of them is seeking proper training, even though not required by law.
These are law-abiding citizens, that understand the great responsibility that comes with owning firearms.

The results of the "test case" are in. Plenty of states have allowed this for a long time. Tennessee is just joining in.
The cities/states with the most restrictive gun control laws continue to have the highest rates of gun crime.

tabs 04-11-2021 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11291022)
Bull****.

This is just the gov't machine laying groundwork for very long wait times.

You seriously UNDERESTIMATE the incompetence of large bureaucracies and officials. The simple minded person can not conceive of bureaucracy being so incompetent so they go by default to it must be a conspiracy.

I sent the IRS a check in mid December USPS Certified with return delivery verification. I didn't get the return card till late January with a delivery date of 12/29/20. As of late January the IRS had no record of delivery and it wasn't until late February the check was cashed. They are still working on the form 843...and that is 5 months now.

rfuerst911sc 04-12-2021 03:49 AM

I didn't realize so many states allowed concealed carry without a permit , thanks for the feedback it was educational to me .

Joe Bob 04-12-2021 05:56 AM

Screw the wait, I'm going to Cabela's to get my money back.

Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Iowa (7/2021)
Idaho
Kansas
Kentucky
Maine
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Utah
Vermont
West Virginia
Wyoming

berettafan 04-12-2021 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 11293387)
You seriously UNDERESTIMATE the incompetence of large bureaucracies and officials. The simple minded person can not conceive of bureaucracy being so incompetent so they go by default to it must be a conspiracy.

I sent the IRS a check in mid December USPS Certified with return delivery verification. I didn't get the return card till late January with a delivery date of 12/29/20. As of late January the IRS had no record of delivery and it wasn't until late February the check was cashed. They are still working on the form 843...and that is 5 months now.

I make my living dealing with IRS and state tax agencies. Believe me when i say i know first hand how bad it is.

But this article was almost certainly instigated by dems looking to scare the non shooting public into giving them carte blanche to take more freedoms away.

tabs 04-12-2021 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11293670)
I make my living dealing with IRS and state tax agencies. Believe me when i say i know first hand how bad it is.

But this article was almost certainly instigated by dems looking to scare the non shooting public into giving them carte blanche to take more freedoms away.

The Dem party is not the govt as much as they would like to be. It very well maybe Dem propaganda.

GH85Carrera 04-12-2021 10:09 AM

Government bureaucracy is mind numbing in in the ability to slow things down. The State of Oklahoma did not want to go to the "Real ID" because the feds insisted. Of course after delaying, now the legislature does a forehead slap and says OK, we will comply. The state hires an out of state company to set up the real ID. The system has been a total fuster cluck, and people are having to wait in long lines and many hours to try to get a new driver's license. I am very lucky, mine does not expire until 2022, so I can wait for it to clear up. The governor signed some executive orders to get things going faster.

The stupid thing is if one goes in there with an up to date passport, that is only one form of ID, and one still needs a original social security card, and a utility bill addressed to the same address. My passport is a real ID, but not good enough to grant me a new real ID driver's license. Only an idiot bureaucrat could say it is not enough. The gold standard of ID is the US passport.

Look at every single post office in the country. Go into the lobby anytime from opening to closing and citizens are standing in line. Often for 15 minutes or more just to get mail service on a package or buy postage.

Joe Bob 04-12-2021 11:28 AM

So, I'm going private party on another spoon acquisition. Despite Gretchen the Redhaid's assertion at corporate HQ in Misery.

They did absolutely nothing to straighten out the local store on their blatant violation of the Brady Act. Wankers even tried to dissuade me from getting a refund.

Not holding my breath on how long it will take to show on my credit card.


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