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What if you found a tracking device on YOUR car?

https://jalopnik.com/woman-catches-louisiana-state-police-attaching-tracker-1846738167

I first thought of shipping it somewhere via FedEx, but renting a car and putting it on that might be more fun.

"I was returning it, but it fell out of my pocket and ended up sliding down the back of the seat in the taxi."

I believe if it's fitted to a car it becomes part of the car, therefore owned by the car's owner.

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 11306207)

attach it to a semi truck

Bingo!

I have one. It's called Samsung Galaxy. If my wife and kids are in the car with me we can have up to 5 tracking devices in the car at the same time.

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Originally Posted by thor66 (Post 11306204)

https://jalopnik.com/woman-catches-louisiana-state-police-attaching-tracker-1846738167

I first thought of shipping it somewhere via FedEx, but renting a car and putting it on that might be more fun.

She should have put it up for sale on ebay in lieu of duct taping it to a light pole.

I would likely leave it on and bore them to death with tracking my El Camino. Look, he went to the store and back. Look he went to dinner at a restaurant. Wow, went to the airport where he keeps the airplane. Alert, alert, he went to get gas! Whooo hooo, he went home again.

For sure, they are never getting it back. It would indeed somehow fall off and into a bucket of oil motor oil or maybe the sewer.

If no reason to worry...leave it on.
Maybe someone would be interested.

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Originally Posted by thor66 (Post 11306204)

I first thought of shipping it somewhere via FedEx, but renting a car and putting it on that might be more fun.

I don't know.

Get out as fast as shell ?

That might be fun.

Put it on the first cop car you see.

Call your lawyer.

Depending on the size of the device, attach it to a pizza delivery truck or a migratory bird.

i'd stuff it into a Snickers Bar and toss it into the Grizzly Enclosure at the Zoo.

Leave it on. Best alibi going. Use that car for groceries. Church. Bingo parties.

Use your other car for the felonies.

I'm pretty sure there was another thread here about someone that had a govt/LEA put a tracker on their car. I want to say that they found it and took it off their car and the agency went after them for that.

Found the story online.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/02/removing-a-gps-tracking-device-from-your-car-isnt-theft-court-rules/

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An Indiana man may beat a drug prosecution after the state's highest court threw out a search warrant against him late last week. The search warrant was based on the idea that the man had "stolen" a GPS tracking device belonging to the government. But Indiana's Supreme Court concluded that he'd done no such thing—and the cops should have known it.

Last November, we wrote about the case of Derek Heuring, an Indiana man the Warrick County Sheriff's Office suspected of selling meth. Authorities got a warrant to put a GPS tracker on Heuring's car, getting a stream of data on his location for six days. But then the data stopped.

Officers suspected Heuring had discovered and removed the tracking device. After waiting for a few more days, they got a warrant to search his home and a barn belonging to his father. They argued the disappearance of the tracking device was evidence that Heuring had stolen it.

During their search, police found the tracking device and some methamphetamine. They charged Heuring with drug-related crimes as well as theft of the GPS device.

But at trial, Heuring's lawyers argued that the warrant to search the home and barn had been illegal. An application for a search warrant must provide probable cause to believe a crime was committed. But removing a small, unmarked object from your personal vehicle is no crime at all, Heuring's lawyers argued. Heuring had no way of knowing what the device was or who it belonged to—and certainly no obligation to leave the device on his vehicle.

An Indiana appeals court ruled against Heuring last year. But Indiana's Supreme Court seemed more sympathetic to Heuring's case during oral arguments last November.

"I'm really struggling with how is that theft," said Justice Steven David during November's oral arguments.

Last Thursday, Indiana's highest court made it official, ruling that the search warrant that allowed police to recover Heuring's meth was illegal. The police had no more than a hunch that Heuring had removed the device, the court said, and that wasn't enough to get a search warrant.

Even if the police could have proved that Heuring had removed the device, that wouldn't prove he stole it, the high court said. It's hard to "steal" something if you have no idea to whom it belongs. Classifying his action as theft would lead to absurd results, the court noted.

"To find a fair probability of unauthorized control here, we would need to conclude the Hoosiers don't have the authority to remove unknown, unmarked objects from their personal vehicles," Chief Justice Loretta Rush wrote for a unanimous court.

The high court's ruling has big implications for Heuring's case. Under a principle known as the exclusionary rule, evidence uncovered using an invalid search warrant is excluded from trial. Without the meth recovered in this search, prosecutors might not have enough evidence to mount a case against him.

The law allows a good-faith exception to the exclusionary rule in some cases where police rely on a warrant that later proves defective. But Justice Rush concluded that exception doesn't apply here.

"We find it reckless for an officer-affiant to search a suspect's home and his father's barn based on nothing more than a hunch that a crime has been committed," the court wrote. "We are confident that applying the exclusionary rule here will deter similar reckless conduct in the future."

I'd tape it to this:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1619132933.jpg

And throw it in the nearest river.

Or maybe a bunch of helium balloons, that could be fun.

Like OnStar or Toyota WiFi Connect or SiriusXM or Bluetooth or any other 'embedded' vehicle connectivity system?

Those electronics can be made capable of 2-way transmission on-demand through hardware design plus mandatory 'software upgrades' which was disclosed to you on the 2487th page of the EULA. That is the same EULA you willingly signed and agreed to a long time ago at the check-out counter.

Any type of connectivity can be monitored by a non-governmental company (cough 4A) which just happens to 'share' data with that same government.
And they can now legally serve as an 'anonymous source' (cough 6A) during court proceedings.

Most people don't even care.
-Major riots are organized openly on major social networks these days.
-Even obtuse probability predictions of felonious crime are nullified at the lower management level.
-White collar crime uses those same networks carte blanche.

You and I are just test-beds for complete surveillance at this point.
How that is used later on....

(btw stupid Microsoft Bing search page was most likely sweeping my browser through the Windows10 operating system, because as I typed it gave me a full first page of OnStar results for the term "car internet radio".)

I would leave it there, behave like an angel, and stop dumping off dead bodies.

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Originally Posted by LWJ (Post 11306474)

Leave it on. Best alibi going. Use that car for groceries. Church. Bingo parties.

Use your other car to meet up with the hunnies.

Exactly! My gf just better not get a Tile.

I guess this is where the parfessor got the idea.

I would not own a car with anything like onstar, and frequently turn the phone off. I am dubious that does any goog

Phone off does no good.

There have been a flood of drug arrests pursuant to routine traffic stops and/or anonymous tips lately around here.

I suspect the popo are tracking the phones of suspected dealers, following them around looking for minor moving violations or equipment infractions such as defective license plate lights.

I'd call my wife and say "my girlfriend said she knows what you're up to"

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 11306562)

Like OnStar or Toyota WiFi Connect or SiriusXM or Bluetooth or any other 'embedded' vehicle connectivity system?

You mean those things that locate your car in a parking lot or anywhere around the country can be used as a tracking device? :D

My friend has the MyFord app. His wife drove his truck one day and said she was going straight home. He called her to ask why she was at Kohls. Boy was she ticked!

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11306295)

What that could be twisted into includes: He went to the store to pick up supplies for a premeditated crime, and later met at a restaurant a known underworld figure, then took a package to a private airfield where he made a delivery of illegal goods. After his full day of criminal activity he went back home where he beat his wife and got off on kiddy porn.

All they need is a willing informant and to plant a little evidence here and there to make it convincing.

I'm sure there are many here who get the same monthly report from Google that I do.
At the end of the month, I get a map from Google showing all the businesses, restaurants, airports that I've been in the last month.

I kinda like it....it reminds me of how much I needlessly spend at restaurants!
If you carry a phone...you're being tracked.

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11307414)

Please explain.

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Originally Posted by gordner (Post 11306377)

put it on the first cop car you see.

^^^
+1

^^^ 911 Rod
Every month, Google sends me an email of everywhere my phone has been in the past month.
It includes a map of the US showing every place that it was recorded.
Sometimes, I look at the map and say "I was never there in the past month" Then, I remember a connection from a flight...in an airport. It's accurate.

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 11307172)

No doubt, if I ever found a device on my car of any sort that I don't think is needed, it comes off. But my life is pretty boring. Just earn money, try to keep some of it, and buy food and have some fun.

As someone that has never been arrested or handcuffed, with no police records at all, zero tickets since the 1970s, paid up taxes, filed on time always, and no large lump sums of cash ever, I am way off the RADAR of the police or the Feds.

Maybe it's just me, but If I had a series of pending federal drug charges stacked up against me, I would sort of expect that I would be tracked.

And I will share that a person I know had a PI plant a tracking device on an ex's vehicle. A dicey legal strategy, but the evidence was allowed into court. Let's just say it worked in their favor as the device proved the ex was repeatedly disobeying a specific order from the judge.

I should get a VW Bug with a phony license plate, as Cops never pull over Vintage slow bugs, and they can't be tracked.

How about putting it in the pocket of some Dragon azz'd jeans - and donating them to Goodwill?

Id take it off and put it on my creepy neighbors car, that way when the punk leaves at night to do what ever he does, someone will be tracking him. LOL!

To answer the OP's question, I'd put it back on his ankle, where it belongs.

Supposedly; my SENTRI/GOES card has a chip in it that DHS can find anytime they want to worldwide.
You sign and acknowledge that when your in their program.
Some day each citizen will have a government AI component evaluating your ongoing locations.
Just drink your Soylent and eat your Soma as you should and all will be well.

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Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted (Post 11359302)

Yea, right. They might be able to track it as it passes a entry point like at the airport, or the county courthouse. Unless it has a battery, and some sort of antenna it will not radiate any signal at all. A RFID chip needs the energy from the reader to work.

The emergency transponder in an aircraft will work from anywhere. They have a decent size battery, and have to be tested at every annual inspection. They will only transmit for a limited time if the aircraft crashes. They are not something you want to carry around and sure don't fit in a passport or sentri card.