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stevej37 05-14-2021 10:36 AM

A hybrid with a supercapacitor instead of a battery!
 
https://www.caranddriver.com/lamborghini/sian

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1621017387.jpg

Bill Douglas 05-14-2021 11:10 AM

Haha, that's quite clever. So if they mandate it that all vehicles on the road need to be electric or at least hybrid, they can say "Yup, that's me."

stevej37 05-14-2021 11:40 AM

Prius owners will be looking to upgrade..

Rusty Heap 05-14-2021 12:54 PM

electric motor, 34 hp, 26 lb-ft torque

stevej37 05-14-2021 01:03 PM

^^^ yes...but it has a capacitor driving the electric motor, instead of batteries.

Bill Douglas 05-14-2021 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11331859)
^^^ yes...but it has a capacitor driving the electric motor, instead of batteries.

And it's the gasoline engine that loads up the capacitor.

stevej37 05-14-2021 02:25 PM

^^^ yes!

I might have to see what kind of trade-in I could get with my Fit.

cabmandone 05-14-2021 02:52 PM

Won't be cool till they have a flux capacitor.

brainz01 05-14-2021 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 11331920)
And it's the gasoline engine that loads up the capacitor.

Yep. Just like fossil fuels predominantly create the electrons that charge EVs.

ckelly78z 05-14-2021 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11331965)
Won't be cool till they have a flux capacitor.

Nah...a "Mr. FUSION" on the other hand !

VillaRicaGA911 05-14-2021 06:16 PM

Ummm the Toyota LMP1 car is also a super capacitor hybrid, nice try Lamborghini but.....

rusnak 05-14-2021 06:48 PM

I always enjoy reading someone's speech impediments, typed out in a post.

fanaudical 05-14-2021 06:49 PM

I've been waiting for almost 20 years for supercapacitors to be commercially viable. I'm guessing we're still waiting...

Aurel 05-15-2021 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanaudical (Post 11332143)
I've been waiting for almost 20 years for supercapacitors to be commercially viable. I'm guessing we're still waiting...

The energy density is no more than 10Wh/kg. Compare that with 300Wh/kg for advanced Li-ion batteries.

Yes the power capability is very high, but supercapacitors on their own cannot deliver that power for any sustained amount of time.

They can be a good power buffer in combination with Li-ion batteries, but will never replace them.

Aurel 05-15-2021 04:08 AM

On its own, the naturally aspirated V-12 supplies a hefty 774 horses. Supplementing the engine is a 48-volt electric motor that adds 34 horses and is integrated into the car's seven-speed automated manual transmission.

What is the contribution of the supercapacitor and these 34 horses to the fuel savings of this vehicle? Not very much apparently.

Despite its hybrid powertrain, the Sián continues to be environmentally offensive. The EPA estimates the electrically assisted V-12 will guzzle 8 mpg in the city and 14 mpg on the highway.

Chocaholic 05-15-2021 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanaudical (Post 11332143)
I've been waiting for almost 20 years for supercapacitors to be commercially viable. I'm guessing we're still waiting...

Honest question. Why?

Aurel 05-15-2021 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 11332307)
Honest question. Why?

Because they are terrible at storing energy and cannot replace batteries for that purpose.

stevej37 05-15-2021 10:13 AM

My Honda Fit is 5.5 feet wide.
This Lambo is 7 feet wide. :eek:

Bill Douglas 05-15-2021 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11332654)
My Honda Fit is 5.5 feet wide.
This Lambo is 7 feet wide. :eek:

In the real world I'd prefer the Fit.

But if I was a 20 something, trying to impress a chick in a bar, well...

stevej37 05-15-2021 12:26 PM

It would be worthless in a Michigan winter.
Two..maybe three inches of clearance and too wide to follow in others tracks.

I doubt snow tires would even fit in there. :)


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