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onewhippedpuppy 06-13-2021 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11360949)
People were much fewer and travelled a LOT less in the 1940's...and yet the same tactics to curb spread were employed. Maybe put some salve on your vaginas or ask India how things are going for them.


Polio Once Caused Widespread Panic

In the late 1940s, polio outbreaks in the U.S. increased in frequency and size, disabling an average of more than 35,000 people each year. Parents were frightened to let their children go outside, especially in the summer when the virus seemed to peak. Travel and commerce between affected cities were sometimes restricted. Public health officials imposed quarantines (used to separate and restrict the movement of well people who may have been exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become ill) on homes and towns where polio cases were diagnosed.

https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html

Were they total sheep back then too and just accepted the blatant violation of their civil rights because the all knowing government said so?

dw1 06-13-2021 06:14 PM

I remember waiting in line to get the polio shot. As I recall, they did it a grade at a time and there were not exceptions or doubts. (Fyi, this was in Detroit.)

This was in they days when polio wasn't all that rare and there was real fear of it (maybe because our parents remembered FDR in addition to hearing about someone's child who got it). It was also pre-Vietnam so the government was trusted implicitly about stuff like this, and you did what you were told.

More recently, my children were required to have certain immunizations in order to attend public school. I don't see it as a violation of civil rights, I see it as looking out for the safety of your fellow human beings in the same way that it is understood that one stops at red lights.

pavulon 06-13-2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11361436)
Were they total sheep back then too and just accepted the blatant violation of their civil rights because the all knowing government said so?

Ya. An entire world of sheep who had other sheep depending upon them to not get sick or disabled or die a slow death. I guess having just endured 2 world wars provided all those sheep some greater perspective beyond pissing and moaning about missing a vacation or a mask or other trivial crap. :rolleyes:

onewhippedpuppy 06-14-2021 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11361445)
Ya. An entire world of sheep who had other sheep depending upon them to not get sick or disabled or die a slow death. I guess having just endured 2 world wars provided all those sheep some greater perspective beyond pissing and moaning about missing a vacation or a mask or other trivial crap. :rolleyes:

You missed one key point in your attempt to pound this square peg into the round hole of today. Polio quarantines were localized and VOLUNTARY. Most frequently occurring in cities where there was an identified outbreak, many chose to follow government guidance by social distancing, avoiding crowded indoor venues, and pulling kids from school. Not gestapo era tactics of the government forcing people to comply. But keep trying to rationalize what has happened and is still happening. The actions taken to prevent the spread of this virus will ultimately be worse than the effect of the virus and felt for years to come.

pavulon 06-14-2021 05:35 AM

Instead a lot of those sheep underwent s little thing called a military draft after which they took orders to be involuntarily shot at (or shot). No big deal. I'm sure most cited their constitutional rights if not wearing helmets.

GH85Carrera 06-14-2021 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11360062)
This was way before my time but I’m pretty sure the government also didn’t shut down schools and businesses, lock people in their homes and tell them where they could and couldn’t go, cancel church, cancel events, and make them wear things. Then spread incorrect information for over a year. Sorry but pushback is inevitable.

I went and looked up the polio vaccine, research started in 1935, with Salk starting field trials of his successful vaccine in 1952 and it was approved in 1955. That’s 20 years vs 9 months. Also there were issues with incorrectly manufactured lots of the Salk vaccine causing paralysis or death and leading to a drop in vaccination rates, which ultimately led to the adoption of the Sabin oral vaccine because the public no longer trusted the Salk vaccine. Sounds familiar.

Not in the 60s after the vaccine.

My dad talked about one entire year when his parents would not let him out of the house. It was in the 1940, and he had to stay home for one full year. Not even a trip to the grocery store. My grandfather, dad's dad, got polio as an adult, and it messed up his left hand, and he was left handed. His hand had three fingers locked straight and the joints fused. Of course the press, then as now was slanted. They hid the fact that Roosevelt was a polio victim and stuck in a wheelchair.

With wards full of children in iron lungs to stay alive at all. No parent wanted to risk that for their kids.

I remember standing in line at school in I think the third grade, in San Marcos, TX to "have to" eat a sugar cube. Somehow not one kid cried or complained. Dr. Jonas Salk was looked on as a miracle worker.

Sooner or later 06-14-2021 05:48 AM

I found this interesting. Remote learning started in 1937 Chicago due to polio. They shut down schools for several weeks and used radio as their remote learning tool.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623678463.jpg

URY914 06-14-2021 05:56 AM

I remember getting the polio shot as a kid. We all had the same scare on out upper arms. Also remember my 5th grade teacher had polio and had a bad leg. She told us about it one day and said she lived in a small town and her parents didn't take her to get the shot.

Of course this was LONG before the innerweb where anyone can be their own expert.
And before Oprah allowed a former Playboy model to rant about vaccines and autism.

Sooner or later 06-14-2021 06:00 AM

I seem to remember having a clear plastic bubble taped over my small pox vaccination. Anybody else remember something like that?

flatbutt 06-14-2021 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11361667)
I seem to remember having a clear plastic bubble taped over my small pox vaccination. Anybody else remember something like that?

Vaguely. I think it was to isolate the shot?

GH85Carrera 06-14-2021 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 11361666)
I remember getting the polio shot as a kid. We all had the same scare on out upper arms. Also remember my 5th grade teacher had polio and had a bad leg. She told us about it one day and said she lived in a small town and her parents didn't take her to get the shot.

Of course this was LONG before the innerweb where anyone can be their own expert.
And before Oprah allowed a former Playboy model to rant about vaccines and autism.

The round scar was from a small pox shot. I have one as well.

In 1971 when we left Hawaii to come back to the mainland the Air Force insisted we all get another small pox vaccination. So mom took my brother and I to the hospital for that. Dad was a officer and just went to the flight surgeon. The shot did nothing at all as we had been vaccinated before, but it was a rule we had to follow to get off the island.

URY914 06-14-2021 09:06 AM

Small pox is right, not polio. ISC.

Tervuren 06-14-2021 09:12 AM

Look at the reaction in 2020 to a drug in use across multiple decades decades in an anti-malerial capacity.

What happened there?
Long term use, well known.
Yet total freak out.
Vaccines seem less controversial in comparision.

Just like HCQ+Zinc, the media went nutto with this vaccine.
Why? Because they "get it up" from their fantasy for a guy with a weid hairstyle.
The guy with the weird vaccine was meeting about accelerating vaccine development back in January 2020.
And the media was going nutto back then, and stayed that way.
A year of criticism, no wonder.


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