the 1% of 1%. And how is being vaccinated helping them if you can still spread it?

I have begun to care less. I wish they weren’t clogging up hospitals and forcing non-emergency hospital procedures to be postponed, but I’m not losing sleep over it. You can lead a horse to water etc….

Pink Floyd - Us and Them

If you are 'vaxxed' and protected and now secure henceforth, good for you.
The vax works. Congratulations.

That is where your rights end in regards to me.

well they seem to think it gives them power over other's..
they did as told..
so should we..
I got a corrective collar for my dog when he got uppity..
guess I need to watch out for that..

Rika

I find your post and your other similar posts here to be excellent. Remember when Dreyfus ripped his gas mask off in Close Encounters? You remind me of that scene.

Keep it up….

So let’s talk about what the right means when it talks about “freedom.” Since the pandemic began, many conservatives have insisted that actions to limit the death toll — social distancing, wearing a mask and now getting vaccinated — should be matters of personal choice. Does that position make any sense?
Well, driving drunk is also a personal choice. But almost everyone understands that it’s a personal choice that endangers others; 97 percent of the public considers driving while impaired by alcohol a serious problem. Why don’t we have the same kind of unanimity on refusing to get vaccinated, a choice that helps perpetuate the pandemic and puts others at risk?
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True, many people doubt the science; the link between vaccine refusal and Covid deaths is every bit as real as the link between D.U.I. and traffic deaths, but is less obvious to the naked eye. But why are people on the right so receptive to misinformation on this subject, and so angry about efforts to set the record straight?
My answer is that when people on the right talk about “freedom” what they actually mean is closer to “defense of privilege” — specifically the right of certain people (generally white male Christians) to do whatever they want.
Not incidentally, if you go back to the roots of modern conservatism, you find people like Barry Goldwater defending the right of businesses to discriminate against Black Americans. In the name of freedom, of course. A lot, though not all, of the recent panic about “cancel culture” is about protecting the right of powerful men to mistreat women. And so on.
Once you understand that the rhetoric of freedom is actually about privilege, things that look on the surface like gross inconsistency and hypocrisy start to make sense.
Why, for example, are conservatives so insistent on the right of businesses to make their own decisions, free from regulation — but quick to stop them from denying service to customers who refuse to wear masks or show proof of vaccination? Why is the autonomy of local school districts a fundamental principle — unless they want to require masks or teach America’s racial history? It’s all about whose privilege is being protected.
Krugman

It’s all about Big Government. In the cases in this article it’s Big Government conservatives trying to impose their will on the citizenry. It is the reason for acquiring power - so you can force others to submit to your will.

These are the only Krugman blurbs anyone needs to read to understand..

I won't go further, other than note the obtuse when you read between his lines.
His hatred of the White Race is right there.

I don't think there should be mandated consequences for those refusing to be poked, and on the surface I likewise do not think it should be my responsibility to protect the unpoked from my poked self by wearing a mask in their presence, but if doing so lightens the burden that the unpoked will possibly place on the healthcare system and their family and friends possibly affected, then I'm okay with begrudgingly doing my mask part. It doesn't look like that will be an issue here in TexASS as I think the gov signed an executive order forbidding schools and businesses from requiring masks (not sure what I will do if some places I go to "strongly suggest" wearing them - will probably comply to keep the peace, as that shiit is of no significant inconvenience to me, although I do not like wearing them in public and doubt their effectiveness).

In case you guys missed it, I am talking about the government mandating vaccinations. Businesses request you be vaccinated. It is kind of a big difference, and NONE of the conservatives are talking about the government telling businesses what to do. It is not that complicated, try and follow along


Glad I made it anonymous. Wow, we have some straight up fascists here.

Rational and reasonable is not on the menu.
Poll not exactly binary, but pretty much.

You are not all that reluctant to impose punitive measures. You are saying the government should mandate it, except for people who are unable to take the vaccine.

Who gets to decide who is unable?

What is next?


Should be, but we have government mandates right now.

If wishes were fishes, nobody ever goes hungry.

There will be consequences

GD terrifying

Neither of which were investigational drugs when given to millions.

The government has done this since before you were born, and you are old.
Would not trouble you for long
So the same as the COVID 19 numbers.

Of course, but if rational approach was the game, we would have tested for antibodies prior to the jab, or at the very least not given it to people who already were proven cases.


Sort of stupid the way we did it, really stupid.

I like the idea of privilege. It speaks to ones rights. It’s my privilege to stay healthy and avoid putting unapproved chemicals into my body for something that’s 99% recoverable. No government can take that privilege away...

It’s another’s privilege to get the vax. Or stay inside and whine about others exercising their own privilege.

Life goes on...

Do I give a flying **** if someone's informed decision ends in a dirt nap for them? No, I don't. We tried to talk to them. They made their choice. Not gonna lose a wink of sleep.

Does leaning towards mandatory vaccinations make me a Fascist? We can argue that all day long and never see eye to eye and I don't give a flying **** about that either.

Who you should be asking is the families of those 600,000 and those still to come. I think their opinion has more merit than ours.

This and take a greater risk of dying from Covid.

Really? What cave are you in? https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-desantis-cruise-ship-lawsuit-20210802-2thqqae42vcjvcsyp7ddxvklqu-story.html

I say old chap, should horse whip the blighters.

Wow, a lot of psychos really want to come down hard on "Blacks" and "Hispanics"

Sounds racist too me. :cool:

Tobra's next topics...

What should consequences be for those who own guns?

What should consequences be for those who are pro procreation?

What should consequences be for those who think for themselves? -that one really pisses off the Karens.

the freedom to pay their own medical bills

Technically, no, not what to do. But DeSantis in Florida has told schools, counties, municipalities, and businesses what they may NOT do, which amounts to the same thing.